Re: Tlilaxian adoration of the God Emperor
Posted: 27 Oct 2009 20:45
You rang?Harq al Ada wrote:You can still be monogamous and a perv.
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You rang?Harq al Ada wrote:You can still be monogamous and a perv.
Are you serious about the lawsuit monger thing? it's been happening for roughly 2000 years under the xian banner. what about castrato? is that all made up too? the RCC knew about the little boy humpers and rather than kicking the offenders out of their friggin' twisted little men's club they MOVED the priests to other towns/cities with barely a slap on the wrist so they could start all over with a new batch of kids to hump! RELIGION gives the power that enables people to do it. And I don't doubt that in the not too distant future there will be a similar revelation in Islam.Redstar wrote:The entire Roman Catholic Church has a thing for "little boys"? Yet more idiotic generalizing. That shit wasn't so widespread, and only appears to be because of exaggeration, lawsuit-mongers, and it happened over many years. Sexual abuse occurs all over and religion rarely has anything to do with it.
I didn't say they were little adults, I said they were treated as such.
What imaginary friend? I don't have one.
Pedophilia is sexual attraction to a prepubescent. Aisha wasn't prepubescent, so it was ephebophilia. My whole point is that it was a political and religious relationship so you can't call Muhammed a pervert when it was custom the world over and not based on a sexual attraction to a child. Watch the videos you linked. It actually brings the whole thing up and covers exactly what I've said, and treated it exactly as I have.
I am. I'm sure many of those cases were true and deeply unsettling for those involved, but at least some small portion were either imagined or people wanting money out of it. It happens. Things get exaggerated to the point where you can't know the real truth, so it's presumptuous to assume there's some epidemic affecting the Church that causes their priests to be pedophiles. It's just bad logic to sayHarq al Ada wrote:Are you serious about the lawsuit monger thing?
Xian being... The Chinese city? What are you talking about? And castrato isn't made-up, but what it has to do with religion is beyond me. It was a common occurrence outside and before the Christian spread, so pinning it solely on the Catholic church is ridiculous. The Pope tried to ban it very early, but I suppose one person's actions don't represent the religion at all? (Hint-hint)Harq al Ada wrote: it's been happening for roughly 2000 years under the xian banner. what about castrato? is that all made up too?
I'm not saying that what happened wasn't wrong, but you act like religion itself is the cause of all these woes. Power doesn't not corrupt. Power attracts the corruptible.Harq al Ada wrote:the RCC knew about the little boy humpers and rather than kicking the offenders out of their friggin' twisted little men's club they MOVED the priests to other towns/cities with barely a slap on the wrist so they could start all over with a new batch of kids to hump! RELIGION gives the power that enables people to do it. And I don't doubt that in the not too distant future there will be a similar revelation in Islam.
Excuse me, hebephilia. Her marriage at such a young age was to ensure virginity, and the wait until her puberty was what he had to do more than a token gesture. We may never really know what his feelings were in that relationship, but to describe him as a pedophile while ignoring the simple circumstances involved and the norm of the time is ignorant.Harq al Ada wrote:Pedophilia is sexual desire for a child and 9 (ephebophilia is mid to late adolescents not 9y/o) is most likely prepubescent and he married her at 6!?! A 6 year old girl! SIX YEARS OLD! So he let her ripen a bit before plucking her fruit, what a swell guy. and yah, he and anyone at that time and this time, that engages in a sexual relationship with someone that young is wrong, whether it was divinely sanctioned or convention or for the hell of it. and fuck yah he was attracted to her or do you think he had to get drunk and imagine she was someone his own age in order to get it up? "oh well, I gotta hump her cuz my imaginary friend told me to."
While I would like to point out that I'm agnostic, so I don't have a supreme "character", the fact that you assumed I did and still went on about my "mythology" and how my supposed god is a "perv" is offensive. You can discuss the subject if you want, but you don't have to resort to attacks. You don't see me attacking (y)our atheism.Harq al Ada wrote:this is ridiculous. I'm not going to be able to convince you that the character in your mythology is a perv and you aren't going to be able to convince me he's not. but my point stands: the Tleilaxu tweaked their canon to except the reality of Leto II.
imaginary friends are gods.
That sentence is a thing of beauty.RedHeadKevin wrote:Historical accounts even put the Virgin Mary at around age 12 or 13 when Jesus was born.
There are historical accounts of Jesus? HOLY SHIT!SandChigger wrote:That sentence is a thing of beauty.RedHeadKevin wrote:Historical accounts even put the Virgin Mary at around age 12 or 13 when Jesus was born.
(Hey, I just figured it out: the Herberts must be Muslims! They're all about profit-worship, too! )
Huh?RedHeadKevin wrote: Historical accounts even put the Virgin Mary at around age 12 or 13 when Jesus was born.
RedHeadKevin wrote:Muad'Dib was 17 when he took Irulan as a wife.
18A Thing of Eternity wrote:RedHeadKevin wrote:Muad'Dib was 17 when he took Irulan as a wife.
He was 20 IIRC.
Actually life expectancy was not 30, this is a common misconception. Average ages were in the 30s but that is due to really high infant mortality rates not lower lifespan. FWIWIdahopotato wrote:You guys do know that a 13 year old bride is well old enough when you consider that they usually die in their 30's, if not in child birth. That would make her middle age. Nowadays of course this is seen as sick and demented, not because a 13 year old is not physically mature enough (don't tell me you guys haven't found yourself staring at some 13 year old eye candy a time or two), but rather the nature of their emotional and mental maturity. A 13 year old that has worked a farm, helped raise siblings, possibly assisted with sibling or parent birthing as well as animal, etc. is a bit more mature than one that spends her time venturing the mall and facebook/twittering her friends all day long, or whatever it is teenage girls do these days.
The high infant mortality rates was probably due to 13-year-olds having babies.Dune Nerd wrote:Actually life expectancy was not 30, this is a common misconception. Average ages were in the 30s but that is due to really high infant mortality rates not lower lifespan. FWIWIdahopotato wrote:You guys do know that a 13 year old bride is well old enough when you consider that they usually die in their 30's, if not in child birth. That would make her middle age. Nowadays of course this is seen as sick and demented, not because a 13 year old is not physically mature enough (don't tell me you guys haven't found yourself staring at some 13 year old eye candy a time or two), but rather the nature of their emotional and mental maturity. A 13 year old that has worked a farm, helped raise siblings, possibly assisted with sibling or parent birthing as well as animal, etc. is a bit more mature than one that spends her time venturing the mall and facebook/twittering her friends all day long, or whatever it is teenage girls do these days.
It all becomes clear nowFreakzilla wrote:The high infant mortality rates was probably due to 13-year-olds having babies.Dune Nerd wrote:Actually life expectancy was not 30, this is a common misconception. Average ages were in the 30s but that is due to really high infant mortality rates not lower lifespan. FWIWIdahopotato wrote:You guys do know that a 13 year old bride is well old enough when you consider that they usually die in their 30's, if not in child birth. That would make her middle age. Nowadays of course this is seen as sick and demented, not because a 13 year old is not physically mature enough (don't tell me you guys haven't found yourself staring at some 13 year old eye candy a time or two), but rather the nature of their emotional and mental maturity. A 13 year old that has worked a farm, helped raise siblings, possibly assisted with sibling or parent birthing as well as animal, etc. is a bit more mature than one that spends her time venturing the mall and facebook/twittering her friends all day long, or whatever it is teenage girls do these days.
Was it? I knew he started at 15, but I thought it was 4 or 5 years. Damn my memory!Freakzilla wrote:18A Thing of Eternity wrote:RedHeadKevin wrote:Muad'Dib was 17 when he took Irulan as a wife.
He was 20 IIRC.
He was 15 when they moved to Arrakis and spent three years in the desert.
He is going to bring Gurney Halleck here, she thought. And she wondered atA Thing of Eternity wrote:Was it? I knew he started at 15, but I thought it was 4 or 5 years. Damn my memory!Freakzilla wrote:18A Thing of Eternity wrote:RedHeadKevin wrote:Muad'Dib was 17 when he took Irulan as a wife.
He was 20 IIRC.
He was 15 when they moved to Arrakis and spent three years in the desert.
Freakzilla wrote:He is going to bring Gurney Halleck here, she thought. And she wondered atA Thing of Eternity wrote:Was it? I knew he started at 15, but I thought it was 4 or 5 years. Damn my memory!Freakzilla wrote:18A Thing of Eternity wrote:RedHeadKevin wrote:Muad'Dib was 17 when he took Irulan as a wife.
He was 20 IIRC.
He was 15 when they moved to Arrakis and spent three years in the desert.
the strange mingling of emotions that filled her. Gurney and his music had been
a part of so many pleasant times on Caladan before the move to Arrakis. She felt
that Caladan had happened to some other person. In the nearly three years since
then, she had become another person. Having to confront Gurney forced a
reassessment of the changes.
~Dune