KWISATZ HADERACH

[Harq al Ada]

thank you again. it's all starting to come back to me.

I haven't had anyone to talk to about the books in a long time. Only been able to rant now and again when people tell me how much the SciFi channel's rape of Dune was better than Lynch's adaptation.

[Arrrmanda]

Only been able to rant now and again when people tell me how much the SciFi channel's rape of Dune was better than Lynch's adaptation.

Them's fightin' words sir.

[Harq al Ada]

I've got some boxing gloves and this looks like a fair ring.

just because the SciFi channel was able to shove, hammer, and cram in more scenes doesn't mean it was better.

their "adaptation" may have been based on this, if they even bothered to do that.


acting, directing, special effects, the sets, and the costume design (the Guild [were they from France?], Saudakar [we're tough in our floppy hats], and Harkonnen designs were particularly hilarious) were just a few of the problems I had with SciFi's version of Dune.

More: Paul a spoiled brat??? Lack of still suits (EFFIN'! HEELS ON THE WOMEN'S SUITS!) and random use of them, open air sietches (Hello? *knock! knock!* Water discipline?), lovable rhyming Baron??? waaaaay too much emotion shown by Jessica, Paul, and Leto, and Irulan (WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?). They treated Gurney like he was a lumbering buffoon. You barely noticed Yueh at all. The lack of character development given the length of the thing was amazing. They turned these beautifully thought out characters into caricatures. Horrible.

[Freakzilla]

I didn't know Robbie the Robot was in Dune! WTF?

[Harq al Ada]

you have to read in between the lines really really hard but he's in there.

[Arrrmanda]

acting, directing, special effects, the sets, and the costume design (the Guild [were they from France?], Saudakar [we're tough in our floppy hats], and Harkonnen designs were particularly hilarious) were just a few of the problems I had with SciFi's version of Dune.

More: Paul a spoiled brat??? Lack of still suits (EFFIN'! HEELS ON THE WOMEN'S SUITS!) and random use of them, open air sietches (Hello? *knock! knock!* Water discipline?), lovable rhyming Baron??? waaaaay too much emotion shown by Jessica, Paul, and Leto, and Irulan (WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?). They treated Gurney like he was a lumbering buffoon. You barely noticed Yueh at all. The lack of character development given the length of the thing was amazing. They turned these beautifully thought out characters into caricatures. Horrible.

And this is some how worse than what David Lynch did?

[trang]

As as fan of both the lynch and the sci fi series version, they are both bad... its just the dimension you wish to go I think.

The Lynch version got the Epic feel to it, the rest was his "Visual Artist" interpretation. Frank was on the Lynch project and there is 30 or 40 mintues of audio (lynch talks for about 10 minutes) about the hows, whys, and do's of this version. The Storyboard addition/cut scenes added int he 3 hour plus version is a little better but still bad in a comparison sense.

The Dune and COD versions on Sci-Fi were bad in many different ways, there is a book out that details the production of the 2001 dune, I have it, but its in storage at the moment (Real life is turmoil mess at the moment), but the few pages I read into it seemed to give insight.

Anything Visual Dune is appealing, be it art, motion, or otherwise. Audio is also cool. It just adds to the experience.

Hopefully someday someone will dedicate themselves, have enough money, time, and dedication to bring a true epic rendering of the entire original series.

[Seraphan]

Both adaptations ridiculed Voice, the movie had exagerated and too theatrical acting, scenes were crammed.
The mini series had sandworms that growled, some acting would've been better if pieces of wood had made it into the cast. Certain character roles were changed obviously because of the actors/actresses in play (Irulan and Wencicia).
And it was amazing how many people lived in Arrakis but didnt have the eyes of the ibad. Something of wich, both adaptations also failed to portray correctly.

[A Thing of Eternity]

To be honest I am looking forward to the new Dune movie, even if it just gives me something to complain about. Obviously I love that the idiot director is off the project, and I hope DEARLY that the hack is involved in as little a way as possible.

[Slugger]

I enjoyed the two miniseries. The music from CoD rocks, too. They're pretty good to get people introduced to Dune.

[Redstar]

I didn't know Robbie the Robot was in Dune! WTF?

Old joke!

[Hunchback Jack]

I didn't know Robbie the Robot was in Dune! WTF?

Maybe that's depicting one of the "other works".



HBJ

[Mandy]

Ick.. I thought the Lynch movie and the SciFi mini series sucked, but tbh I don't think I'd like any Dune movie. Nothing can compete with the books.

[Harq al Ada]

acting, directing, special effects, the sets, and the costume design (the Guild [were they from France?], Saudakar [we're tough in our floppy hats], and Harkonnen designs were particularly hilarious) were just a few of the problems I had with SciFi's version of Dune.

More: Paul a spoiled brat??? Lack of still suits (EFFIN'! HEELS ON THE WOMEN'S SUITS!) and random use of them, open air sietches (Hello? *knock! knock!* Water discipline?), lovable rhyming Baron??? waaaaay too much emotion shown by Jessica, Paul, and Leto, and Irulan (WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?). They treated Gurney like he was a lumbering buffoon. You barely noticed Yueh at all. The lack of character development given the length of the thing was amazing. They turned these beautifully thought out characters into caricatures. Horrible.

And this is some how worse than what David Lynch did?

gods yes! things that were better in '84: the acting, costume design, direction, music, character depth, visually it was beautiful... Lynch didn't have final cut and it has the feel of movie execs wanting an action flick. I didn't ever find it confusing at all when I first saw it as a wee lad. It's a movie adaptation and the few things that Lynch did adapt I have much less problem with than SciFi's version. However! I do think the 2000 version's special effects might be as good as '84. And again, I haven't seed their version of CoD.

[Redstar]

that were better in '84: the acting, costume design, direction, music, character depth, visually it was beautiful... Lynch didn't have final cut and it has the feel of movie execs wanting an action flick. I didn't ever find it confusing at all when I first saw it as a wee lad. It's a movie adaptation and the few things that Lynch did adapt I have much less problem with than SciFi's version. However! I do think the 2000 version's special effects might be as good as '84. And again, I haven't seed their version of CoD.

If they're "as good" as the '84 film, then they're crap. The special effects look like they hired an online kid animator. And the dunes! Oh god, the dunes...

[A Thing of Eternity]

Those effects were top of the line in the day. Dated now, but when you know what went into them compared to what goes into effects now a days they are quite impressive.

[Harq al Ada]

that were better in '84: the acting, costume design, direction, music, character depth, visually it was beautiful... Lynch didn't have final cut and it has the feel of movie execs wanting an action flick. I didn't ever find it confusing at all when I first saw it as a wee lad. It's a movie adaptation and the few things that Lynch did adapt I have much less problem with than SciFi's version. However! I do think the 2000 version's special effects might be as good as '84. And again, I haven't seed their version of CoD.

If they're "as good" as the '84 film, then they're crap. The special effects look like they hired an online kid animator. And the dunes! Oh god, the dunes...

no, I said they might be as good as '84.



this is where some of those dunes were made...

on location Samalayuca Dunes

Those effects were top of the line in the day. Dated now, but when you know what went into them compared to what goes into effects now a days they are quite impressive.

I agree

[Redstar]

If they're "as good" as the '84 film, then they're crap. The special effects look like they hired an online kid animator. And the dunes! Oh god, the dunes...

no, I said they might be as good as '84.

Exactly. A film made in 2000, 16 years of special effects advancement and after Jurassic-freakin'-Park, should not be equal to its predecessor.

I should specify, but by "dunes", I meant the crappy mounds of sand with a painted backdrop...

[Harq al Ada]

If they're "as good" as the '84 film, then they're crap. The special effects look like they hired an online kid animator. And the dunes! Oh god, the dunes...

no, I said they might be as good as '84.

Exactly. A film made in 2000, 16 years of special effects advancement and after Jurassic-freakin'-Park, should not be equal to its predecessor.

I should specify, but by "dunes", I meant the crappy mounds of sand with a painted backdrop...

that's what I was saying, it's not equal. almost as good. are you sure you're not thinking of scifi's dunes? they were god awful, I laughed when I first saw them.

[Redstar]

I'm thinking of what I typed.

[TheDukester]

Only been able to rant now and again when people tell me how much the SciFi channel's rape of Dune was better than Lynch's adaptation.

It was better. By miles.

Then again, it's a bit of an apples-and-oranges comparison. Lynch's Dune had nothing to do with Dune; it had everything to do with David Lynch. It's self-indulgent drivel of the first degree. It's virtually unwatchable. In fact, just thinking about it is making me ... a bit ... oh noes!

Weirding modules:

Kyle MacLachlan's hair:

Fremen sticking a plug up everyone's nose, yet leaving the rest of the head and neck uncovered:

Heart-plugs:

The cartoon Harkonnen:

Sting: ... well, wait, I actually sort of liked Sting.

[Freakzilla]

Don't forget the cat milking.

[RedHeadKevin]

I've gotta defend David Lynch a little here:
While I HATE the wierding modules, they were an interesting depiction of The Wierding Way. Think about it: Lynch needed a way to tie in the BG training (especially The Voice) with the Atreides army, and later the Fremen, without a character looking at the fighting and actually saying "Boy, these are the best fighters in the universe. It must be that Bene Gesserit training." Using a mechanical means to amplify and apply The Voice for non-BG characters was a solution. Except for a few scenes, the WM's could be swapped out for lasguns or other weapons, with no real difference to the film.

I also wish he had stillsuit hoods. BUT, think about the actors, and how they would look on film. If you had all of them covered in hoods, with only thier eyes showing, there would be practically no way to know who's who. Nearly any movie that has characters in that type of costume (breath mask and helmet/hood) finds another way around it. Top Gun: the pilots all had different helmet markings (including their name.) Iron Eagle: 1 black guy, 1 white guy. The Abyss: clear helmets that clearly show the actor's entire face. With most other movies with masked characters, it doesn't make any difference who the individual characters are (think the Stormtroopers in Star Wars.) Even if you had MOST of the Fremen in hoods, Stilgar, Chani, Paul, Jessica, etc would spend most of the time hoodless and maskless, just so you could tell who was who. Plus, rubber hoods would probably kill a bunch of actors filming in the desert.

As for the cat milking? I got nothing. That was just Lynch being effed up.

[Harq al Ada]

I'm sorry, at least all of the Fremen in Lynch's wore stillsuits when out of the sietch AND the sietchs were not open air! What the hell does it matter if every once in a great while the scifi Fremen wear stillsuits with face masks outside of an open air sietch? Seriously ridiculous (not even joking a little). And you are all cool with that but oh no, not nose plugs, that's a waste of water.

And Irulan, again, what the hell is that? She's a hip and young and a today kinda young woman. She's not going to put up with her father's machinations??? Maybe she will draw in new female fans??? Really, you all are OK with that but not heart plugs? Or changing Thufir's motivation for working for the Harkonnens? And scifi Yueh? And scifi Fenring? And scifi Thufir? Who were they? 6 hours and if I hadn't read the books I'd have no idea. SciFi Harkonnens were definitely Saturday morning cartoon.

6 hours of McDonalds.

[TheDukester]

6 hours and if I hadn't read the books I'd have no idea.

Oh, the irony. As if Lynch's alleged "Dune" isn't the very definition of incomprehensible.

And you rattle off that list of differences like they mean something to you ... but, tell me, how come my copy of Dune doesn't end with a fucking thunderstorm?



"For he is the Kwisatz Haderach!"

Fucking JOKE.