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So, what kind of guy is he, criminal or lobbyist?

I see Daschle has stepped down for consideration for a cabinet post for not paying taxes and confilicts of interest.

You go Tom!

who, Mike Steele ?

ultra conservative Roman Catholic

Sarah Palin in (real) blackface ....

a man chosen for this job based on the color of his skin,
in the same way the VP cand. was chosen on gender.

I wonder how he's going to conduct business, tho ?
He'll be barred from most of the country club golf courses where the
real Party business gets done ....

SandRider wrote:who, Mike Steele ?

ultra conservative Roman Catholic

Sarah Palin in (real) blackface ....

a man chosen for this job based on the color of his skin,
in the same way the VP cand. was chosen on gender.

I wonder how he's going to conduct business, tho ?
He'll be barred from most of the country club golf courses where the
real Party business gets done ....

ZING

A Thing of Eternity wrote:

SandRider wrote:who, Mike Steele ?

ultra conservative Roman Catholic

Sarah Palin in (real) blackface ....

a man chosen for this job based on the color of his skin,
in the same way the VP cand. was chosen on gender.

I wonder how he's going to conduct business, tho ?
He'll be barred from most of the country club golf courses where the
real Party business gets done ....

ZING

I meant him, but I meant is he a lobbyist or a tax evader, that seems to be all Obama is appointing.

Oh well, at least he's conservative.

I think you misunderstood -

Mike Steele is the new Chairman of the Republican National Commitee.

Your new Party Boss.

SandRider wrote:who, Mike Steele ?

ultra conservative Roman Catholic

Sarah Palin in (real) blackface ....

a man chosen for this job based on the color of his skin,
in the same way the VP cand. was chosen on gender.

I wonder how he's going to conduct business, tho ?
He'll be barred from most of the country club golf courses where the
real Party business gets done ....

Hmm, perhaps he'll crash and burn in a similar fashion to Palin aswell. I predict he'll at least be a star in the next primaries. "Hey America, got Black Fever? Check out this brotha!"

Steele 2012! Sounds like a god-awful science fiction movie.

While another ultra-conservative presidential/VP candidate might be entertaining, it would also be scary. Ya gotta love it when your own leaders think that the Earth is 6000 years old. What a grand ol' party indeed...

Well I just youtubed him a bit, and I must admit he doesn't seem nearly as ineptly idiotic as Palin. And I even agree with a few of his goals. He doesn't seem to have much love for lobbyists and corporate gifts for congressmen, which is good. But then again, a promotion like that can change one's goals to better suit the people you now represent.

I don't know enough about him to dislike him personally ... yet.
His political ideas are of course diametrically opposed to mine, no matter
his race. My comparison with Palin was only that he wasn't chosen based
on merit, or even standing within the Republican Party.

This is affirmative pandering.

SandRider wrote:I think you misunderstood -

Mike Steele is the new Chairman of the Republican National Commitee.

Your new Party Boss.

I'm not a republican, I'm conservative.

you're a registered Conservative in the state of Georgia ?


I'm assuming you mean you registered "Independent" ?


BTW, how many parties can be registered in GA ?
You got three choices in my county - D,R,I.

no Libertarians or Greens allowed...

SandRider wrote:you're a registered Conservative in the state of Georgia ?


I'm assuming you mean you registered "Independent" ?


BTW, how many parties can be registered in GA ?
You got three choices in my county - D,R,I.

no Libertarians or Greens allowed...

In the state of Georgia, you do not have to register by political party to vote in the state's regular primaries or general elections.

I'm not registered with any party but I was thinking of joining the Heritage Foundation.

SandRider wrote:Zionism as an idea, 1870s.
Brit Mandate in Palestine after WWI, when mass Euro Jewish immigration began.
Israel est. 1948.

You can't date the Arab-Jew conflict before 1905 or so, when rich
European Jews began buying up land in Palestine from the Brits.

A few things:

1. Zionism has existed as long as Jews have. It regards the connection between Jews and the land. It may not have always been called Zionism, but the only thing that started in the 1800s is Jews being allowed to purchase land there. It certainly wasn't the beginning of Jewish immigration there, nor the beginning of the notion of a Jewish state there.

2. The only mass immigration to the Mandate pre-Israel was Arab. The population in the land was scarce going into the 20th century, and only after Jews began purchasing and working land from the Ottomans and the few Arab land owners did Arabs began immigrating in large numbers. It just so happens that while Arab immigration was being aided, Jewish immigration was being stifled.

3. The Brits had zero land in the Mandate prior to the League of Nations and their being selected to oversee the creation of the Jewish homeland on both sides of the Jordan. When Jews were purchasing land (for the short window they were allowed) it was from Arabs and under the Ottomans.

The Brits, far from selling land to Jews, cut off nearly 80% of the Palestine Mandate and created the Transjordan, a large portion of which was to be part of the Jewish state.

As for the conflict, there are different conflicts. Much of the current propaganda and attitude towards Jews stems from the Mufti of Jerusalem (later a Nazi supporter) and the British who at different times aided him in his exploits. It wasn't until the 60s that the "Palestinians" were crafted by Egyptians such as Yassir Arafat.

1) speaking here of modern political Zionism, Theodor Herzl, etc.
Certainly "Next Year in Jerusalem" predates that .....

2) "mass" immigration probably not the right word. Speaking of the settlements pre-Mandate,
absolutely land then procured from the Ottomans. (David Ben-gurion's immigration, for example,
becoming an Ottoman citizen first - later, during the War, a Canadian - put himself on the side
of the Power everytime.)

3) right, my mistake.

I forgot all about the Balfour Declaration in that recap, too, and the Whitepaper.

Well anyway, Al Franken won yet again. I'm sure Norm will wait the full 10 days to appeal to leave MN without a 2nd vote in the senate for as long as possible. People here are pretty pissed about the shit Norm is pulling up here. Star Tribune article about the latest ruling.

Nekhrun wrote:Well anyway, Al Franken won yet again. I'm sure Norm will wait the full 10 days to appeal to leave MN without a 2nd vote in the senate for as long as possible. People here are pretty pissed about the shit Norm is pulling up here. Star Tribune article about the latest ruling.

Hope they get this squared away before Franken as to beat the next Republican up thar.

Is it just me getting older and wiser or is the "good ole boy" system becoming more evident?

I refuse to believe I have gotten wiser...

I often wonder how the Hillary Clinton supporters who voted for McCain felt when they found out Obama won. They rooted for the losing candidate TWICE!

Nebiros wrote:I often wonder how the Hillary Clinton supporters who voted for McCain felt when they found out Obama won. They rooted for the losing candidate TWICE!

That's really relevant. I was just thinking about this the other day. Weird...

Nebiros wrote:I often wonder how the Hillary Clinton supporters who voted for McCain felt when they found out Obama won. They rooted for the losing candidate TWICE!

yeah, I heard both of them were pretty pissed off ....

Nebby, when was the last time you pulled your head out of your ass?

(Assuming it has been out at some point in the past.)

I voted at 0700 this morning. Took me 45 minutes.

The Democrats had two years to spend our way out of debt and things have only gotten worse (duh). According to the polls it looks like a lot of them will be crying tonight.



My state governor's race was between a rapist and a baby killer (if you pay attention to the media).

I voted for the rapist, without him there wouldn't be as many babies.

Which will be awesome for them come the next Presidential election, because if the Republicans get a lot of power now, then the situation will become their fault by the time the next election happens.

A Thing of Eternity wrote:Which will be awesome for them come the next Presidential election, because if the Republicans get a lot of power now, then the situation will become their fault by the time the next election happens.

What do you mean, isn't it all still Bush's fault anyway?

Freakzilla wrote:

A Thing of Eternity wrote:Which will be awesome for them come the next Presidential election, because if the Republicans get a lot of power now, then the situation will become their fault by the time the next election happens.

What do you mean, isn't it all still Bush's fault anyway?

Exactly. Talk to a Dem and it's Bush's fault, talk to a Republican and it's Clinton's fault (or Obama's). Nobody wants that blame!

I still haven't seen much evidence that Obama spent any more than Bush would have, that whole bailout plan was a republican plan anyways.

No matter what anyone had done the US would probably still be in it's current situation. Spending out of a recession does work, but it usually requires more than 2 years (it went faster up here because we didn't crash and burn so hard in the first place, we're pretty much back on track up here, still a little sluggish). I doubt anything the Republicans would have done would have made much difference either, especially if they were going to attempt the tried-and-untrue "trickle down" system, which takes a lot longer than 2 years to work (read: never does kick in).

Once the Republicans are in office tomorrow they'll just start in-fighting with the Tea Party.