Re: First Republican Presidential Candidate for '12
Posted: 16 Dec 2011 14:14
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I'm hearing a whole lot of scuttlebutt from my "Friends in Austin" that there's something damn fishy with this ...GOP: Texas' Rick Perry will not be on VA ballot
By The Associated Press
Posted December 23, 2011 at 7:12 p.m.
RICHMOND, Va. (AP) Texas Gov. Rick Perry's name will not be on Virginia's March 6 Republican presidential primary ballot.The Republican Party of Virginia said Friday that Perry's campaign had failed to gather the required 10,000 signatures of registered voters, the threshold to get on the primary ballot.
State GOP spokesman Garren Shipley says the party is also validating petitions that Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney and Ron Paul submitted by the Thursday 5 p.m. deadline to the State Board of Elections. The process of validating the signatures began Friday morning.
The 10,000 registered voters must also include 400 signatures from each of Virginia's 11 congressional districts.
That the Federal Government shouldn't fund it? I'm all for getting them as far out of our lives as possible.Mandy wrote:Don't know if that is worth his stance on abortion, he is a fundie.
Sucks to be the victim of voter ID laws. I guess he's not for tort reform now.SandRider wrote: GOP: Texas' Rick Perry will not be on VA ballot
Ron Paul is fantastic!Shaitan wrote:Since Obama is almost guaranteed a re-election unless something quite drastic occurs in the next 18 months (far from impossible, but IMHO relatively improbable), I am on the lookout for a strong, genuinely Libertarian candidate to throw my support behind. Garnering a significant % of the vote would be a good step forward for the mainstreaming of truly Libertarian ideals.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those unrealistically hardcore libertarians; you might call me (despite the contradictions inherent in the term -- anyone who knows me doesn't have to be told that I'm a walking contradiction!) a "liberal-tarian" to properly encompass the fullness of my ideas for future political/governmental reform. I think the government should get out of a lot of the things it is currently doing, and that the body of laws should be shrunk DRASTICALLY -- largely through the legalization/decriminalization of most nonviolent 'victimless' activities currently criminalized.
Although I am very much in favor of expanding the funding of gov't organizations like NASA, they are the exception. I would keep Social Security/Medicare (though I'd reform and simplify it greatly), but beyond that, what little of the current government remained would be greatly simplified. Most particularly the IRS and tax codes.
Anyhow, I think I made my point. I wouldn't vote for a Ron Paul (too much BS and baggage) type candidate, but I definitely am keeping an eye open for a libertarian worth voting for as a "protest/advocacy" vote.
Crysknife wrote:Ron Paul would be a terrible president. He'd cut govt to the bone, take us back to the gold standard(I just threw up in my mouth), close all our military bases and cut ties with UN, and then he would hand even more money to the wealthy while taking everything away from the poor and middle class....all the things that helped get us here. He might torture a few gay people in the streets but I'm still not sure on that one.
So you'll get to take a few tokes in the wasteland that is Ron Paul's America......so what?
Gold Standard (or something like it, commodity-based currency) is necessary to prevent government from printing more money, leading us into hyperinflation. (If you're a Heinlein fan you ought to read "Time Enough for Love" which contains a part which explains it pretty well, although I find the incest pretty disturbing)Crysknife wrote:Ron Paul would be a terrible president. He'd cut govt to the bone, take us back to the gold standard(I just threw up in my mouth), close all our military bases and cut ties with UN, and then he would hand even more money to the wealthy while taking everything away from the poor and middle class....all the things that helped get us here. He might torture a few gay people in the streets but I'm still not sure on that one.
So you'll get to take a few tokes in the wasteland that is Ron Paul's America......so what?
I don't think you can support that. And it's not "righties" verses "lefties" as you characterize it. Krugman was FOR the housing bubble to get us out of recession - didn't work too well.Crysknife wrote:That's funny. Almost every liberal economist since Reagan told you exactly what was going to happen with trickle down economics and lack of regulation. Those are the reasons we had the financial crises. Krugman wad well ahead of anything the righties had. But they wouldn't listen.
We've ran a deficit since 1938 and it hasn't done any harm. The fact is, cutting spending now, laying off govt. workers, cutting key programs that help the sick and elderly, cutting taxes on the wealthy all add to one thing......THINGS GET WORSE! If you can explain to me how things get better then please do. Having less money circulating in the poor and middle classes does nothing but flood the money to the top again where it is hoarded. The definition of government is "redistribution" but there isn't enough. If the wealthy had created more jobs like republican economics said they should then we wouldn't be having this conversation. So the govt. needs to get that money out and get it to the people in various forms like SBA loans, education, healthcare, grants, infrastructure, etc....Spice Must Flow wrote:Gold Standard (or something like it, commodity-based currency) is necessary to prevent government from printing more money, leading us into hyperinflation. (If you're a Heinlein fan you ought to read "Time Enough for Love" which contains a part which explains it pretty well, although I find the incest pretty disturbing)Crysknife wrote:Ron Paul would be a terrible president. He'd cut govt to the bone, take us back to the gold standard(I just threw up in my mouth), close all our military bases and cut ties with UN, and then he would hand even more money to the wealthy while taking everything away from the poor and middle class....all the things that helped get us here. He might torture a few gay people in the streets but I'm still not sure on that one.
So you'll get to take a few tokes in the wasteland that is Ron Paul's America......so what?
He wouldn't be "handing" or "taking" money to or from any class of people. And where exactly is the "here" that you think is good - 15 trillion in debt and rising? And I don't know what the gay comment means.
I can't support it? What do you think everyone was saying when Reagan took office? He skyrocketed the debt and the deficit and handed all the money to the wealthy. What else COULD have happened?Spice Must Flow wrote:I don't think you can support that. And it's not "righties" verses "lefties" as you characterize it. Krugman was FOR the housing bubble to get us out of recession - didn't work too well.Crysknife wrote:That's funny. Almost every liberal economist since Reagan told you exactly what was going to happen with trickle down economics and lack of regulation. Those are the reasons we had the financial crises. Krugman wad well ahead of anything the righties had. But they wouldn't listen.
Probably should be a new thread depending how deep you want to go.