Re: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: 10 Dec 2009 15:37
Obama accepted the prize today.
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That troop surge is totally necessary for peace. Pacifism ain't going to work in Afghanistan, and if we just were to walk away it would result in much more violence in the long run. I wish Canada would add troops there as well, and get the job done properly. Obviously has to be combined with rebuilding their economy or it'll all be for nothing, but unfortunately there is no way to do it "peacefully".Drunken Idaho wrote:30,000-troop surge followed by the accepting of a Nobel peace prize. I must say, that's a little fucked up.
Then again, the prize was probably awarded to him mainly for being the first black president. That is still pretty important.
How much Afghanistan history do you know? We certainly didn't start that mess over there, and no one has ever won shit over there. Nothing good will come of this. And I don't know this for sure, but isn't Obama the first world leader to get the Nobel Peace prize while his nation is in the middle of two wars, with a serious escalation in the way of troops, arms, and casualties on pretty much a daily basis? I am sorry my friend, but I have to disagree with the statement that the surge is necessary for peace. The surge is necessary to increase the GDP through the military industrial complex, which will do nothing in alleviating unemployment. What is good for a nation's economy is not always good for that nation's people.A Thing of Eternity wrote:That troop surge is totally necessary for peace. Pacifism ain't going to work in Afghanistan, and if we just were to walk away it would result in much more violence in the long run. I wish Canada would add troops there as well, and get the job done properly. Obviously has to be combined with rebuilding their economy or it'll all be for nothing, but unfortunately there is no way to do it "peacefully".Drunken Idaho wrote:30,000-troop surge followed by the accepting of a Nobel peace prize. I must say, that's a little fucked up.
Then again, the prize was probably awarded to him mainly for being the first black president. That is still pretty important.
Plus, you make the mess you clean it up, and man did we make one hell of a mess.
A Thing of Eternity wrote:That troop surge is totally necessary for peace. Pacifism ain't going to work in Afghanistan, and if we just were to walk away it would result in much more violence in the long run. I wish Canada would add troops there as well, and get the job done properly. Obviously has to be combined with rebuilding their economy or it'll all be for nothing, but unfortunately there is no way to do it "peacefully".Drunken Idaho wrote:30,000-troop surge followed by the accepting of a Nobel peace prize. I must say, that's a little fucked up.
Then again, the prize was probably awarded to him mainly for being the first black president. That is still pretty important.
Plus, you make the mess you clean it up, and man did we make one hell of a mess.
Obviously we didn't start that place off in it's messed up history, that goes back quite a ways, but we certainly did cause a lot of damage and if we don't make sure to rebuild the country as best we can they're just going to hate us even more when they eventually end up under complete control by extremists again. Without outside help that country is doomed to a long time in desperate poverty and violence. I'm not saying our troops are necessarily doing what it takes to help them out, but to just walk away after invading and seriously fucking up a country is dishnourable.Idahopotato wrote:How much Afghanistan history do you know? We certainly didn't start that mess over there, and no one has ever won shit over there. Nothing good will come of this. And I don't know this for sure, but isn't Obama the first world leader to get the Nobel Peace prize while his nation is in the middle of two wars, with a serious escalation in the way of troops, arms, and casualties on pretty much a daily basis? I am sorry my friend, but I have to disagree with the statement that the surge is necessary for peace. The surge is necessary to increase the GDP through the military industrial complex, which will do nothing in alleviating unemployment. What is good for a nation's economy is not always good for that nation's people.A Thing of Eternity wrote:That troop surge is totally necessary for peace. Pacifism ain't going to work in Afghanistan, and if we just were to walk away it would result in much more violence in the long run. I wish Canada would add troops there as well, and get the job done properly. Obviously has to be combined with rebuilding their economy or it'll all be for nothing, but unfortunately there is no way to do it "peacefully".Drunken Idaho wrote:30,000-troop surge followed by the accepting of a Nobel peace prize. I must say, that's a little fucked up.
Then again, the prize was probably awarded to him mainly for being the first black president. That is still pretty important.
Plus, you make the mess you clean it up, and man did we make one hell of a mess.
http://www.usaid.gov/locations/asia/cou ... ghanistan/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Under the Taliban, only 900,000 boys and no girls were enrolled in schools. Today, as a result of efforts by the Afghan government, the U.S., and other donors, more than six million children are in school. A third of them are girls. With 80 percent of schools severely damaged or destroyed by the Taliban, USAID constructed or repaired more than 680 schools and printed 60 million textbooks. Beyond its accelerated learning program that enrolled over 170,000 students – more than half of them girls – USAID support to government has translated into a significant increase in female enrollment at secondary and university levels.
The health status of Afghans is among the worst in the world. One out of every five Afghan children dies before the age of five. To this end, USAID and other donors have worked so that now more than 85 percent of the population has access to some form of health care, up from nine percent in 2002. In addition, the infant mortality rate has dropped by 22 percent, partially due to USAID’s support of midwife training, which has increased the number of midwives from 404 to nearly 1,700 in six years. Finally, Afghanistan, one of only four countries in the world where polio remains endemic, has seen over 90 percent of children under five years old vaccinated against the disease since 2002, partially due to USAID support.
I'm sure this isn't how you meant it, but there is a lot more to that "we" in Afghanistan than "USA".Freakzilla wrote:We've (USA) been rebuilding Afghanastan since we've been there.
http://www.usaid.gov/locations/asia/cou ... ghanistan/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Under the Taliban, only 900,000 boys and no girls were enrolled in schools. Today, as a result of efforts by the Afghan government, the U.S., and other donors, more than six million children are in school. A third of them are girls. With 80 percent of schools severely damaged or destroyed by the Taliban, USAID constructed or repaired more than 680 schools and printed 60 million textbooks. Beyond its accelerated learning program that enrolled over 170,000 students – more than half of them girls – USAID support to government has translated into a significant increase in female enrollment at secondary and university levels.
The health status of Afghans is among the worst in the world. One out of every five Afghan children dies before the age of five. To this end, USAID and other donors have worked so that now more than 85 percent of the population has access to some form of health care, up from nine percent in 2002. In addition, the infant mortality rate has dropped by 22 percent, partially due to USAID’s support of midwife training, which has increased the number of midwives from 404 to nearly 1,700 in six years. Finally, Afghanistan, one of only four countries in the world where polio remains endemic, has seen over 90 percent of children under five years old vaccinated against the disease since 2002, partially due to USAID support.