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Seraphan wrote:Fox News employs Bill O'Reilley. Regarding proofs of their general idiocy, well...'nough said.

you mean The Culture Warrior?

Freakzilla wrote:All you other countries are just jealous.

As I said before, your sun glasses do indeed make me jealous!

SwordMaster wrote:

Seraphan wrote:Fox News employs Bill O'Reilley. Regarding proofs of their general idiocy, well...'nough said.

you mean The Culture Warrior?

I mean that dry and bald tit that gets jealous of John Stewart because the younger generations prefer to watch the daily show rather than listen to billy O's show.
I mean that worthless cunt that when he said he was more of an anarchist, insulted me more than if he called me a son of bitch directly, the elitist bastard.
I mean that worthless, bitter and dillusional fuckwit whom i cant wait for him to croak it so i can take a royal piss on his grave.
Yeah, that Bill O'Reilley.

Seraphan wrote:

SwordMaster wrote:

Seraphan wrote:Fox News employs Bill O'Reilley. Regarding proofs of their general idiocy, well...'nough said.

you mean The Culture Warrior?

I mean that dry and bald tit that gets jealous of John Stewart because the younger generations prefer to watch the daily show rather than listen to billy O's show.
I mean that worthless cunt that when he said he was more of an anarchist, insulted me more than if he called me a son of bitch directly, the elitist bastard.
I mean that worthless, bitter and dillusional fuckwit whom i cant wait for him to croak it so i can take a royal piss on his grave.
Yeah, that Bill O'Reilley.

I knew O'Reilly would "factor" into this thread eventually... As retarded as that man is, he sure makes for hours of entertaining youtube content (the Jeremy Glick interview, the "shut up" montage from Outfoxed, lots more)...

But yeah, I'm surprised to see an actual apology from Fox about it. Good I guess, but whatever. I don't support the Afghan war either way. I'm glad to see us pulling out.

Drunken Idaho wrote:

Seraphan wrote:

SwordMaster wrote:

Seraphan wrote:Fox News employs Bill O'Reilley. Regarding proofs of their general idiocy, well...'nough said.

you mean The Culture Warrior?

I mean that dry and bald tit that gets jealous of John Stewart because the younger generations prefer to watch the daily show rather than listen to billy O's show.
I mean that worthless cunt that when he said he was more of an anarchist, insulted me more than if he called me a son of bitch directly, the elitist bastard.
I mean that worthless, bitter and dillusional fuckwit whom i cant wait for him to croak it so i can take a royal piss on his grave.
Yeah, that Bill O'Reilley.

I knew O'Reilly would "factor" into this thread eventually... As retarded as that man is, he sure makes for hours of entertaining youtube content (the Jeremy Glick interview, the "shut up" montage from Outfoxed, lots more)...

But yeah, I'm surprised to see an actual apology from Fox about it. Good I guess, but whatever. I don't support the Afghan war either way. I'm glad to see us pulling out.

Quiet you.

I hate pulling out.

Well there's a damned-good analogy for war...

While not pulling out may be much more fun, one must always consider the consequences.

Drunken Idaho wrote:Well there's a damned-good analogy for war...

While not pulling out may be much more fun, one must always consider the consequences.

Unfortunately pulling out is rarely the safest route.

Eyes High wrote:

You don't think there is any validity to Freak's statement?

Purge wrote:

Eyes High wrote:

You don't think there is any validity to Freak's statement?

There probably is a lot of truth to it for many countries...


... but not this one.

A Thing of Eternity wrote:

Purge wrote:

Eyes High wrote:

You don't think there is any validity to Freak's statement?

There probably is a lot of truth to it for many countries...


... but not this one.

yeah, Canadian pride is always under estimated and I just heard the "comedians" that were throwing lines on this show have just got dumped from all their future Canadian bookings, like seriously, dont fuck with Canadians! Im not saying those guys will have any real damage to their careers but when you manage to piss off an entire nation, dont expect to be let off the hook with our ussual polite style.

He called us a "ridiculous nation"

I know they were trying to be funny, but honestly, is that funny to you guys?

Dont make us come burn down the white house, AGAIN....

War of 1812
1814 - At sea, the powerful Royal Navy blockaded much of the coastline, though it was allowing substantial exports from New England, which was trading with Britain and Canada in defiance of American laws. The blockade devastated American agricultural exports but helped stimulate local factories that replaced goods previously imported. The American strategy of using small gunboats to defend ports was a fiasco, as the British raided the coast at will. The most famous episode was a series of Canadian raids on the shores of Chesapeake Bay, including an attack on Washington, D.C. that resulted in the Canadians burning of the White House, the Capitol, the Navy Yard, and other public buildings, later called the "Burning of Washington.

I don't think we'd really manage to burn it down again, kinda a one time event. (I know you're kidding though... I think )

A Thing of Eternity wrote:

Purge wrote:

Eyes High wrote:

You don't think there is any validity to Freak's statement?

There probably is a lot of truth to it for many countries...


... but not this one.

I thought we were talking about countries that actually hate America. I didn't think Canada hated America.

I'd characterize it more as arrogant envy.


By the way, I read the OP for this thread the other night soon after SwordMaster posted it. Don't know who the jerk referred to is (never heard of him) and frankly don't care (I've another bunch of jerks I'm more interested in making fun of, after all); haven't and won't waste my time watching the video clip linked to; don't know or care enough to find out what this is all about; haven't read but a few of the posts. And I'm only popping in now because I saw Purge's name as the last poster and because his posts are usually interesting, at the very least.

Nearly posted before, though, when I saw someone kinda asking for forgiveness and pointing out that all Americans aren't like that. That kinda pissed me off.

If anyone out there in the wide world seriously needs to be told that, they're an idiot of about the same order as the one in the clip who started all this (I assume). I'm not so blinded by stars and red, white and blue stripes that I think the United States is God's answer to the world. Our country has done shitty things throughout its history and will continue doing them as long as it is able. Might convinces itself that it is Right and does as it pleases. That's the way the world works and pretty much always has. Sunt lacrimae. And there are always going to be idiots who believe whatever their own country does is fine and dandy and keep on waving the flag.

But if the United States is the most hated country in a world that has sterling exemplars to compare it with like China or the former Soviet Union, well, that says more about the rest of the world, no?

The War of 1812 was really about hemp:

This is a piece of history that you may have been a bit hazy on when you were taught about it in school. You might well have asked,” What the heck were they fighting about, anyway?”

Here we present the events that led up to the Battle of New Orleans, which, due to slow communications, was accidentally fought on January 8, 1815, two weeks after the War of 1812 had officially ended on December 24, 1814 by the signing of a peace treaty in Belgium.


TIME:

1700s and early 1800s



Cannabis hemp is, as it has been for thousands of years, the biggest business and most important industry on the planet. Its fiber (see Chapter 2, “Uses”) moves virtually all the world’s shipping. The entire world’s economy uses and depends upon thousands of different products from the marijuana plant.



1740 on...



Russia, because of its cheap slave/serf labor, produces 80% of the western world’s cannabis hemp and finished hemp products, and is, by far, the world’s best-quality manufacturer of cannabis hemp for sails, rope, rigging and nets.



Cannabis is Russia’s number-one trading commodity - ahead of its furs, timber and iron.



1740 to 1807



Great Britain buys 90% or more of its marine hemp from Russia; Britain’s navy and world sea trade runs on Russian hemp; each British ship must replace 50 to 100 tons of hemp every year or two.



There is no substitute; flax sails, for example, unlike hemp sails, would start rotting in three months or less from salt air and spray.



1793 to 1799 on...



The British nobility is hostile toward the new French government primarily because the British are afraid that the 1789-93 French Revolution of commoners could spread, and/or result in a French invasion of England and the loss of its Empire and, of course, its nobility’s heads.



1803 to 1814



Britain’s navy blockades Napoleon’s France, including Napoleon’s allies on the Continent. Britain accomplishes the blockade of France by closing its (France’s) English Channel and Atlantic (Bay of Biscay) ports with its navy; also, Britain controls absolute access to and from the Mediterranean and Atlantic, by virtue of its control of the straits of Gibraltar (see map on following page).



1798 to 1812



The fledgling United States is officially “neutral” in the war between France and Britain. The United States even begins to solve its own foreign problems by sending its navy and marines (1801-1805) to the Mediterranean to stop Tripoli pirates and ransomers from collecting tribute from American Yankee traders operating in the area. “Millions for Defense - not a penny for Tribute” was America’s rallying cry, and the incident came to be memorialized in the second line of the Marine Corps’ hymn: “... to the shores of Tripoli.”



1803



Napoleon, needing money to press war with Great Britain and pursue control of the European continent, bargain-sells the Louisiana Territory to the United States for $15 million, or roughly two-and-a-half cents per acre.



This area is about one-third of what are now the 48 contiguous states.



1803 on...



The Louisiana Purchase gives rise to some Americans’ - mostly Westerners’ - dreams of “Manifest Destiny.” That is, the United States should extend to the utmost borders of North America: From the top of Canada to the bottom of Mexico and from the Atlantic to the Pacific (see map on page 81).



1803 to 1807



Britain continues to trade for and buy 90% of its hemp directly from Russia.



1807



Napoleon and Czar Alexander of Russia sign the Treaty of Tilset, which cuts off all legal Russian trade with Great Britain, its allies, or any other neutral nation ship acting as agents for Great Britain in Russia.



The treaty also sets up a buffer zone, the Warsaw Duchy (approximately Central Eastern Poland) between Napoleon’s allies and Russia.



Napoleon’s strategy - and his most important goal with the treaty - is to stop Russian hemp from reaching England, thereby destroying Britain’s navy by forcing it to cannibalize sails, ropes, and rigging from other ships; and Napoleon believes that eventually, with no Russian hemp for its huge navy, Britain will be forced to end its blockade of France and the Continent.



1807 to 1809



The United States is considered a neutral country by Napoleon, as long as its ships do not trade with or for Great Britain, and the United States considers itself to be neutral in the war between France and Great Britain.



However, Congress passes the 1806 Non-Importation Pact: British articles which are produced in the U.S., but which could be produced elsewhere, are prohibited. Congress also passes the 1807 Embargo Act, to wit: American ships could not bring or carry products to or from Europe.



These laws hurt America more than Europe; however, many Yankee traders ignored the law anyway.



1807 to 1814



After the Treaty of Tilset cuts off their Russian trade, Britain claims that there are no neutral countries or shipping lanes.



Hence, any ship that trades with Napoleon’s “Continental System” of allies is the enemy and is subject to blockade.



On this pretext, Britain confiscates American ships and cargo and sends sailors back to the United States at American ship owners’ expense.



Britain “impresses” some American sailors into service in the British navy. However, England claims that they only “impress” those sailors who are British subjects - and whose American shipping companies refused to pay for the sailors’ return fares.



1807 to 1810



Secretly, however, Britain offers the captured American traders a "deal” (actually a blackmail proposition) when they “overhaul” - board and confiscate - an American ship and bring it into an English port.



The deal: Either lose your ship and cargos forever, or go to Russia and secretly buy hemp for Britain, who will pay American traders with gold in advance, and more gold when the hemp is delivered back.



At the same time, the Americans will be allowed to keep and trade their own goods (rum, sugar, spices, cotton, coffee, tobacco) to the Czar for hemp - a double profit for the Americans.



1808 to 1810



Our shrewd Yankee traders, faced with the choice of either running British blockades - and risking having their ships, cargo and crews confiscated - or acting as secret (illegal) licensees for Britain, with safety and profits guaranteed, mostly choose the latter.



John Quincy Adams (later to become President), who was American Consul at St. Petersburg, in 1809 noted:



“As many as 600 clipper ships, flying the American flag, in a two-week period, were in Kronstadt” (the Port of St. Petersburg, once called Leningrad in the former USSR) loading principally cannabis hemp for England (illegally) and America, where quality hemp is also in great demand.



(Bemis, John Q. Adams and the American Foreign Policy, New York, NY, Alfred A Knopf, 1949.)



The United States passes the 1809 Non-Intercourse Act which resumes legal trade with Europe, except Britain and France. It is soon replaced with the Macon Bill resuming all legal trade.



1808 to 1810



Napoleon insists that Czar Alexander stop all trade with the independent United States traders as they are being coerced into being illegal traders for Great Britain’s hemp.



Napoleon wants the Czar to allow him to place…station French agents and troops in Kronstadt to make sure the Czar and his port authorities live up to the treaty.



1808 to 1810



The Czar says “Nyet!” despite his treaty with France, and turns a “blind eye” to the illegal American traders, probably because he needs the popular, profitable trade goods the Americans are bringing him and his nobles - as well as the hard gold he is getting from the Americans’ (illegal) purchases of hemp for Great Britain.



1809



Napoleon’s allies invade the Duchy of Warsaw.



1810



Napoleon orders the Czar to stop all trade with the American traders! The Czar responds by withdrawing Russia from that part of the Treaty of Tilset that would require him to stop selling goods to neutral American ships.



1810 to 1812



Napoleon, infuriated with the Czar for allowing Britain’s life blood of navy hemp to reach England, builds up his army and travels over 2,000 miles to invade Russia, planning to punish the Czar and ultimately stop hemp from reaching the British Navy.



1811 to 1812



England, again an ally and full trading partner of Russia, is still stopping American ships from trading with the rest of the Continent.



Britain also blockades all U.S. traders from Russia at the Baltic Sea and insists that American traders have to now secretly buy other strategic goods for them (mostly from Mediterranean ports), specifically from Napoleon and his allies on the Continent who, by this time, are happy to sell anything to raise capital.



1812



The United States, cut off from 80% of its Russian hemp supply, debates war in Congress.



Ironically, it is representatives of the western states who argue for war under the excuse of “impressed” American sailors. However, the representatives of the maritime states, fearful of loss of trade, argue against war, even though it’s their shipping, crews, and states that are allegedly afflicted.



Not one senator from a maritime state votes for war with Great Britain, whereas virtually all western senators vote for war, hoping to take Canada from Britain and fulfill their dream of “Manifest Destiny,” in the mistaken belief that Great Britain is too busy with the European wars against Napoleon to protect Canada.



It’s interesting to note that Kentucky, a big supporter of the war which disrupted the overseas hemp trade, was actively building up its own domestic hemp industry.



At this time, 1812, American ships could pick up hemp from Russia and return with it three times faster and cheaper than shippers could get hemp from Kentucky to the East Coast over land (at least, until the Erie Canal was completed in 1825; shortening travel time dramatically by as much as 90%).



The western states win in Congress, and on June 18, 1812, the United States is at war with Britain.



America enters the war on the side of Napoleon, who marches on Moscow also in June of 1812.



Napoleon is soon defeated in Russia by the harsh winter, the Russian scorched-earth policy, 2,000 miles of snowy and muddy supply lines - and by Napoleon not stopping for the winter and regrouping before marching on Moscow, as was the original battle plan.



Of the 450,000 to 600,000 men Napoleon starts with, only 180,000 ever ake it back.



1812 to 1814



Britain, after initial success in war with the United States (including the burning of Washington in retaliation for the earlier American burning of Toronto, then the colonial Canadian capitol), finds its finances and military stretched thin - with blockades, war in Spain with France, and a tough new America on the seas.



Britain agrees to peace, and signs a treaty with the United States in December, 1814. The actual terms of the treaty give little to either side.



In effect, Britain agrees it will never again interfere with American shipping.



And the United States agrees to give up all claims to Canada forever (which we did, with the exception of “54-40 or Fight”).



1813 to 1814



Britain defeats Napoleon in Spain and banishes him to Elba, but he escapes for 100 days.



1815



Britain defeats Napoleon at Waterloo (June 18) and banishes him to St. Helena Island off Antarctica where, in 1821, he dies and his hair and private parts are sold to the public for souvenirs.



January 1815



Tragically for Britain, more than two weeks after the December 24, 1814 signing of the Ghent peace treaty between the United States and Britain, Andrew Jackson defeats a huge British attack force at New Orleans (January 8, 1815) while news of the treaty slowly makes its way across the Atlantic.



20th Century



American, British, French, Canadian and Russian schools each teach children their own, completely different versions of history with virtually no mention of hemp in this war (nor, in the American versions, at any other time in history).



Author’s Note:



I wish to apologize to history buffs for all the nuances I have left out from this outline of the 1812 Wars (for example, the involvement of the Rothschilds, the Illuminati, stock market manipulations, etc.), but I did not want to write “War and Peace.” It’s been done.



My intention is that our children are taught a true, comprehensive history in our schools, not watered-down nonsense that hides the real facts and makes the War of 1812 seem totally unintelligible and without rhyme or reason. But it’s no wonder. Our American school teachers themselves often haven’t the foggiest understanding of why this war was really fought. If they do know - or have recently learned - they are generally much too intimidated to teach it.



In 1806, it cost $50,000 to build the U.S.S. Constitution, “Old Ironsides,” and $400,000 to make the sails and rope for that ship. They needed to be replaced every two years. In 1850, it cost $50 to build an uncovered Calistoga wagon in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. It cost $400 for the hemp canvas to cover it.



For a broader overview of the subject we’ve outlined in this chapter, read Alfred W. Crosby Jr.’s America, Russia, Hemp, and Napoleon, 1965.

A Thing of Eternity wrote: I don't think we'd really manage to burn it down again, kinda a one time event. (I know you're kidding though... I think )

it was really a trick..we just wanted to renovate the white house and needed a good excuse to push the funding ...thanks guys

You guys shouldn't take that idiocy seriously. That shit is just filler. Noise.

Purge wrote:

A Thing of Eternity wrote:

Purge wrote:

Eyes High wrote:

You don't think there is any validity to Freak's statement?

There probably is a lot of truth to it for many countries...


... but not this one.

I thought we were talking about countries that actually hate America. I didn't think Canada hated America.

Nope, we don't, and this thread really is about Canada so I don't think I was wandering off topic as I so often do.

SandChigger wrote: Nearly posted before, though, when I saw someone kinda asking for forgiveness and pointing out that all Americans aren't like that. That kinda pissed me off.

If anyone out there in the wide world seriously needs to be told that, they're an idiot of about the same order as the one in the clip who started all this (I assume). I'm not so blinded by stars and red, white and blue stripes that I think the United States is God's answer to the world. Our country has done shitty things throughout its history and will continue doing them as long as it is able. Might convinces itself that it is Right and does as it pleases. That's the way the world works and pretty much always has. Sunt lacrimae. And there are always going to be idiots who believe whatever their own country does is fine and dandy and keep on waving the flag.

I agree totally and was actually planning on saying something but forgot. No need at all to apologize for idiots who happen to be born within the same lines drawn on a map as oneself, we'd all die of old age before we ran out of BS to apologize for. As for letting us know y'all aren't like that - anyone who would judge the bulk of the US by clips of people like that is just as feeble minded as the people in the clip.

But if the United States is the most hated country in a world that has sterling exemplars to compare it with like China or the former Soviet Union, well, that says more about the rest of the world, no?

Of course. The US is the most hated because right now it's the most powerful single nation, and as such there's a lot of resentment (look at how most of us talk about obscenely rich people, that's how the poor countries look at the west - people hate the West, and who's the poster-country for the West?...) and like freak said, simple jealousy. It also means that when the US fucks up (like every country does) it unfortunately hurts everyone else, it's unavoidable. Not to condone the US's fuckups, they do tend to be pretty magnificent, but they are magnified by the sheer weight the US throws around.

There's also some resentment towards the "we're the greatest nation on Earth" sentiment that a lot of rightwing nuts throw around, if a person isn't smart enough to see that those are the extremists it really gives the impression that the US can be more of a cult than a nation at times.

say Freak, you can take that "hemp is beautiful" hippie bullshit elsewhere.

I know you dopeheads, yeah, hemp is a wonderful, amazing fiber,
with hundreds of uses and applications - bullshit, you'll be out back
of the barn smoking all the rope ......

fucking pothead hippie liberals ....



oh, wait.

that's me.

sorry.

Remember, we burned Toronto in retailiation...

You're on to me SR, I just want to smoke pot.

The great thing about the USA is its diversity, which includes the bad with the good.

A Thing of Eternity wrote: I don't think we'd really manage to burn it down again, kinda a one time event. (I know you're kidding though... I think )

i was...

A Thing of Eternity wrote:

Purge wrote:

A Thing of Eternity wrote:

Purge wrote:

Eyes High wrote:

You don't think there is any validity to Freak's statement?

There probably is a lot of truth to it for many countries...


... but not this one.

I thought we were talking about countries that actually hate America. I didn't think Canada hated America.

Nope, we don't, and this thread really is about Canada so I don't think I was wandering off topic as I so often do.

SandChigger wrote: Nearly posted before, though, when I saw someone kinda asking for forgiveness and pointing out that all Americans aren't like that. That kinda pissed me off.

If anyone out there in the wide world seriously needs to be told that, they're an idiot of about the same order as the one in the clip who started all this (I assume). I'm not so blinded by stars and red, white and blue stripes that I think the United States is God's answer to the world. Our country has done shitty things throughout its history and will continue doing them as long as it is able. Might convinces itself that it is Right and does as it pleases. That's the way the world works and pretty much always has. Sunt lacrimae. And there are always going to be idiots who believe whatever their own country does is fine and dandy and keep on waving the flag.

I agree totally and was actually planning on saying something but forgot. No need at all to apologize for idiots who happen to be born within the same lines drawn on a map as oneself, we'd all die of old age before we ran out of BS to apologize for. As for letting us know y'all aren't like that - anyone who would judge the bulk of the US by clips of people like that is just as feeble minded as the people in the clip.

But if the United States is the most hated country in a world that has sterling exemplars to compare it with like China or the former Soviet Union, well, that says more about the rest of the world, no?

Of course. The US is the most hated because right now it's the most powerful single nation, and as such there's a lot of resentment (look at how most of us talk about obscenely rich people, that's how the poor countries look at the west - people hate the West, and who's the poster-country for the West?...) and like freak said, simple jealousy. It also means that when the US fucks up (like every country does) it unfortunately hurts everyone else, it's unavoidable. Not to condone the US's fuckups, they do tend to be pretty magnificent, but they are magnified by the sheer weight the US throws around.

There's also some resentment towards the "we're the greatest nation on Earth" sentiment that a lot of rightwing nuts throw around, if a person isn't smart enough to see that those are the extremists it really gives the impression that the US can be more of a cult than a nation at times.

I don't buy that jealousy nonsense for one second. Nor do I think that the resentment stems solely from the attitude of the US. More than anything, it's the actions of the the United States that makes them hated. In one way or another, they've been meddling in middle-eastern politics ever since the end of WWII. When it's not occupation, it's secretly funding militias to fight their enemies for them. The US is hated by most of the world because they've directly impacted the lives of people in other countries, and those people don't like it. And seriously, don't expect it to stop any time soon. The US has been dicking around in the sandbox for 7 years now, and no democratic revamping of their government is going to make them forgive the US for fucking up their lives and killing their families. I know it's not that simple from the perspective of the troops, and I may seem biased, but believe me those Iraqi/Afghan have a much stronger bias than myself. Try to see it from their POV. The only thing thay have to blame is the actions of the US, and for as long as they live, that hate will never die. It's sad but true.

This reminds me of a joke Jon Stewart made a few days ago... He was responding to Obama saying that the people of the middle east needn't think of the US as an enemy. Stewart said that in a change of attitude, extremeists then started chanting "injury to America."

SandRider wrote:say Freak, you can take that "hemp is beautiful" hippie bullshit elsewhere.

I know you dopeheads, yeah, hemp is a wonderful, amazing fiber,
with hundreds of uses and applications - bullshit, you'll be out back
of the barn smoking all the rope ......

fucking pothead hippie liberals ....



oh, wait.

that's me.

sorry.

Thanks SandRider, I needed a good laugh this morning.

and Purge, let's just say that I was thinking 'I should have known Freak would have said something like that.'

Sandchigger wrote:

Nearly posted before, though, when I saw someone kinda asking for forgiveness and pointing out that all Americans aren't like that. That kinda pissed me off.

I think we pretty much know that the members of this board are smarter than that; however, I still wanted to state that I in no way agreed with that BS those yahoos were spouting.

have fun y'all

If it wasn't American imperialism forced upon the globe, it'd be the imperialism of some other country. I know people like to use Russia or China as the "bad guy" example, but it could just as easily have been any of our nations. France, Britain, Germany, Canada; well, maybe not them, but perhaps the Australians.

Hey, if you don't like out policies, our politicians, like our land, bussinesses and goods, are for sale.

You'll have to see what China has in the pot before raising.