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    Postby Omphalos » 02 Mar 2009 17:04

    Typical idiot response. They belong to the greatest republic the world has ever seen, then when something doesnt go their way majority rule is no longer good enough for them. I pity them, and I cant wait to meet the people who will be replacing them shortly.
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    Postby Freakzilla » 02 Mar 2009 17:06

    I think a soveriengty resolution is going a little too far but I agree with them, and this has been building for a while, it's not just a reaction to losing an election. I think the federal government has way overeached it's bounds.
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    Postby Ampoliros » 02 Mar 2009 17:21

    Just put me in charge and give me super-powers and a Harry Potter Wand. I'll fix it.
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    Postby Freakzilla » 02 Mar 2009 17:36

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    Postby Tyrant » 02 Mar 2009 18:36

    Freakzilla wrote:All I need is a cool buzz and some tastey waves and I'm fine.


    man i miss sean penn when he was Jeff Spicoli...now he's such an asshole ... i was so mad when that jerk off won another oscar
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    Postby Omphalos » 02 Mar 2009 19:26

    Freakzilla wrote:I think a soveriengty resolution is going a little too far but I agree with them, and this has been building for a while, it's not just a reaction to losing an election. I think the federal government has way overeached it's bounds.


    Building? Building how? This is a knee jerk reaction to a scheme of legislation. Pansys cant take losing on an idea, so they have to get all secessionist. You can support the ideas they stand for, but anyone who supports that kind of separatist notion is pushing it too far.
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    Postby SandChigger » 02 Mar 2009 21:04

    HEY! Remember that Russian wingnut prof who predicted the United States would dissolve a few weeks back? LET'S PROVE HIM RIGHT! :P

    Yeah, there's an idear. :roll:
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    Postby chanilover » 03 Mar 2009 03:53

    A Thing of Eternity wrote:
    SandChigger wrote:Um ... not really.

    It doesn't count unless you impregnate them. Until you do, you're just another Darwin Award candidate who's still kicking. :P

    I don't like the nuance of a "single race" as a goal; I prefer to think of it as "no clear races".


    Isn't it about time for someone to jump in and point out that "racial diversity increases the overall fitness of the species", so we should keep them as separate as possible? :roll:


    It also increases the overall awesomeness level of the species. :wink: Can you imagine how lame it would be if we all looked the same?


    AMEN! I'm all for racial diversity. I'm happy being mixed race, but I think it would be dull if everyone was. There was a song a couple of years ago which went "If everybody looked the same we'd be tired of looking at each other." Wise words indeed.
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    Re: Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

    Postby chanilover » 03 Mar 2009 04:03

    Freakzilla wrote:The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

    A guy I went to school with wrote this article at:

    http://newworldliberty.wordpress.com/20 ... nt-rights/

    Majority Of U.S. States Join Sovereignty Movement, Assert 10th Amendment Rights

    February 23, 2009

    A majority of states have bills passed or have proposed bills which affirm 10th Amendment rights. Some affirm additional rights and/or give specific reasons. New Hampshire has written the most aggressive legislation.

    With the economy collapsing, it is a very real and immediate danger that the federal government can turn into a completely criminal and fascist government. They’ll put foreign troops on their streets. They’ll grab people to put in forced labor or concentration camps if they are unemployed or protesting. They’ll conduct experiments on these prisoners.

    This is especially true since a private corporation owned by a small group of people, who own over half the world’s wealth, control our currency and monetary policy through the Federal Reserve. They also have such power over the world as a whole through the World Bank, IMF, most other national central banks, numerous well-funded non-government organizations, and numerous corrupted government officials.

    The Federal Reserve owners want the economy to collapse so they can grab real assets and power. Their whole monetary system is a giant ponzi scheme designed to fail because money is based on the issuance of debt, and the interest owed is not put into the system except through more debt with more interest.

    The stock market has dropped 50% in value since this started last year. This is a great depression. The unemployment will rise. The spending of the two bailouts plus the trillions the Federal Reserve has printed will cause inflation to rise sharply. This same situation happened to the Soviet Union. This is not just an economic recession.

    This is not just about mortgages since the value of mortgages is much less than the spending packages. The financial releveraging of the mortgages in the form of financial derivatives has magnified the problem. Giving loans to high risk individuals and giving ARM loans did stimulate the problem. The manipulation of oil prices through dollar devaluation and speculation also helped stimulate problem.

    This current economic problem is largely due to the fact that we’ve been existing on borrowed time, running huge trade deficits and growing debt exponentially. Our assets now exceed our debt. We now owe more interest on our debts than we can possibly earn. The debt ponzi scheme our currency is based has busted and has started the process of collapse. We can’t spend our way out of this because we’re out of assets and out of credit.

    This group of men who own most of the world’s currencies and wealth want complete centralized control of printing money. They also want a powerful undemocratic regional and world government which can usurp the sovereignty of national governments. They want more European Unions. They want a stronger United Nations. They want to push their own agendas, which include population reduction through eugenics. The threat is real and well documented in policy documents and in the main stream press.

    The Federal Reserve is doing to the United States exactly what the IMF and World Bank do to third world nations. Unless we wake up and get our head out of our fluoride and Prozac ass, we’re going to find ourselves as a third world nation, if not in the middle of World War III, the Fourth Reich, civil war, and revolution.

    The only way we can stop the U.S. government and these banks is through the states. If the states are united, the people are united. If the people are united, the U.S. government ceases to function, and the states are able to reform a functioning and lawful U.S. government instead of the completely corrupt, rogue, destructive, and lawless federal government we have now.

    Armed rebellion is not going to work. It will just result in a lot of dead people because the U.S. government has excessive firepower. Violent rebellion is exactly what the men in control of our money want.

    I encourage everyone to write, email, or call their state legislatures to encourage the passage of such bills. You may also wish to contact your federal reserve senators and representative letting them know you’ve lost faith in their ability to represent the people of the United States.

    We need stronger legislation with stronger teeth to make a stand peacefully and legally. We must act to prevent what is happening in Arcadia, Iowa, with the Iowa National Guard training for door-to-door gun confiscation.

    We can’t allow the U.S. government to continue to usurp state sovereignty. If we allow the U.S. government to do this, we’re going to have a lot of dead people in this nation because a lot of people aren’t going to give up their guns and aren’t going to tolerate the U.S. military, corporate militias, and foreign troops invading their communities and homes.

    The states may be forced to stand down. However, we started the process of thinking locally to solve our problems and to make it through these tough times. We want local, responsible, and focused local and state law enforcement to maintain order. We don’t want foreign troops and the U.S. military to do this for us.

    We should consider training our local and state law enforcement to stop such door-to-door terrorism by agents of the U.S. government and the Federal Reserve. We should consider making it a high crime in the state for a federal official to offer a bribe and a high crime to receive such a bribe.

    Whether you agree with everything I put forth or not, a majority of the people do believe the U.S. government is corrupt, out-of-control, and don’t represent the interests of the people. If you don’t agree, you haven’t done the research nor have you paid close enough attention to the news. We’re on the verge of major crisis and change.

    Here are a list of states who have passed or proposed bills to affirm 10th Amendment rights. We need to continue to encourage the states to take more specific action because of the very real dangers. I’ll try to keep this list updated with links.

    2009: Arkansas - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, Funding Issues

    2009: Arizona - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment

    1994: California - 10th Amendment

    1995/96: Georgia - 10th Amendment

    2009: Georgia - 10th Amendment

    2009: Kansas - 10th Amendment

    [NEW] 2009: Kentucky - 10th Amendment

    1997/98: Louisiana - Sovereignty Constitutional Amendment

    2009: Michigan - 10th Amendment

    2009: Minnesota - 10th Amendment

    2009: Missouri - Freedom of Choice Act (Abortion), 10th Amendment

    2009: Montana - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, 2nd Amendment

    2009: New Hampshire - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, Federal Reserve, Taxes, Martial Law, 2nd Amendment, Draft/War, Patriot Act, Labor Camps, 1st Amendment

    2008: Oklahoma - 10th Amendment, (Other Legislation: No Child Left Behind, Real ID Act)

    2009: Oklahoma - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, Funding Issues

    2009: South Carolina - 9th Amendment, 10 Amendment, Martial Law and Related, 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment

    2009: Tennessee - 10th Amendment

    2009: Texas - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment, Funding Issues

    1995: Utah [Number: HJR003, Session: 1995] - 10th Amendment

    2009: Utah - Real ID Act

    2009: Washington - 10th Amendment

    * Proposed: Alabama - 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment

    * Proposed: Alaska

    * 1994: Colorado - 10th Amendment

    * 1995: Florida - 10th Amendment

    * Proposed [HJM RS18517]: Idaho - 10th Amendment

    * 2009: Indiana - 10th Amendment

    * 2009: Iowa - 10th Amendment

    * Proposed: Maine

    * Proposed: Nevada

    * Proposed: Ohio - 10th Amendment

    * Proposed: Pennsylvania - 10th Amendment

    * Proposed: Virginia - 10th Amendment

    * Proposed: West Virginia - Same As New Hampshire

    Republic of Lakotah - Full Independence

    Hawaii - Full Independence

    * Some are not verified with the actual state and may have not yet been proposed or passed in the state.


    Don't say I didn't warn you...


    :laughing: Typical American parochialism and idiotic conspiracy theories. "They're taking our guns - our guns are our freedom!" Utter bollocks.

    Until now you've all enjoyed the benefits your strong central government has given you and have lived in the world's most affluent society. Now it's all turned to shit you all want to run and hide in your own little caves and pretend your weak, ineffective state governments are the answer.

    Are any state government proposing a rejection of federal funding programmes for their crumbling infrastructure? Or how about withdrawing occupying US troops from foreign countries who are protecting US "interests" (i.e. oil supplies) as the US has no business being there? Or are these morons completely oblivious of the world around them? I'm constantly amazed at how insular many Americans are. They only seem to be concerned about issues which affect their own neighbourhoods.
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    Re: Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

    Postby Tyrant » 03 Mar 2009 10:05

    chanilover wrote: :laughing: Typical American parochialism and idiotic conspiracy theories. "They're taking our guns - our guns are our freedom!"


    hey.. i love my 45 ...and with the country goin to shit ... who knows how bad it'll get.. if it resorts to looting and chaos ...im gonna need it to protect my family (im sure family owned guns helped keep looters out of some homes during the LA riots)... gun control doesnt keep guns out of the hands of bad people..it keeps it out the hands of good people ... the bad people will get them anyway... look at the war on drugs.. alot of bad people are making alot of money cause the stupid ass government handed them this wealth and power on a silver platter by outlawing drugs .... the same thing would happen with guns ... it'll never happen though .... the redneck agenda (rich fat republicans from texas :wink: ) wont let it ...... right freak :wink:
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    Postby SandChigger » 03 Mar 2009 11:44

    I'm really getting tired of this planet.
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    Re: Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

    Postby Freakzilla » 03 Mar 2009 12:00

    chanilover wrote:Are any state government proposing a rejection of federal funding programmes for their crumbling infrastructure?


    Yes, many states are considering it, especially those with Republican governors.

    Or how about withdrawing occupying US troops from foreign countries who are protecting US "interests" (i.e. oil supplies) as the US has no business being there?


    Well, a lot of those men are state guardsmen, if the state deemed what the federal government was doing with them unconstitutional they would have cause to.

    Or are these morons completely oblivious of the world around them? I'm constantly amazed at how insular many Americans are. They only seem to be concerned about issues which affect their own neighbourhoods.


    I don't give a fuck how out of touch the polititians are, I think the way they are spending our money is criminal.
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    Re: Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

    Postby SandChigger » 03 Mar 2009 12:15

    Freakzilla wrote:
    chanilover wrote:Are any state government proposing a rejection of federal funding programmes for their crumbling infrastructure?


    Yes, many states are considering it, especially those with Republican governors.

    Yeah, heard a little about that bit in one state (Louisiana maybe?). The governor is making a big show of rejecting the funds knowing all the while that the state legislature can overturn it and accept them, so the people of his state aren't out anything. And he gets the future political capital of being able to say he opposed Obama.

    Go Republican governors! :roll:
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    Postby SwordMaster » 03 Mar 2009 12:24

    The whole thing is going down the shitter!

    I see Americans not too happy about the "bail out"

    I think the bail out would upset most, considering the wall street types got you guys here based on greed. That said, when will you people wake up and see that free market only works when heavily regulated by the govt?

    The American spirit seems so afraid of socialism, but why?

    Is your education system not socialized? Your roads and transportation infrastructure. I dont get the fear of socialized banks. They work folks. We have the best banks on earth because of this. I dont get it.

    Also, why do Americans insist on making the rich get richer. Middle class is dying because of it. The poor is growing because of it. And what is really strange to me is that people who are not rich, dont want to see the rich pay higher taxes. Its like they think one day they will be rich too. News flash. You wont be!

    As for guns, thatssomething that seems to be unique to America. Its like the wild west/revolution/civil war are still a part of life, but they are long gone. The 2nd amendment was to fight the British. Now they use it to say we have the right to own and carry guns. I mean I understand people want to have guns, but stop using that 2nd amendment thing its silly. Just say, I want to own a gun to protect myself and family. Why this silly reference to a document that was created during post revolution nation building?

    Id like to post the bank question in a separate thread though.

    Here is the bottom line. You allowed wall street to control wall street. Thats like letting the inmates run the prison. Free Market does not work on its own. It needs to be monitored and kept within lawful means. Now the shrinking middle class have to pay for the greed and mistakes of your upper class. Do not blame Obama for trying to fix it, blame the fat cats, blame the day traders, and blame Bernie Madolf and the likes of him, the bad choices made by the political power that allowed this to happen. You want to blame Obama for fixing it? He did not break it, he just has the job of trying to put it all back together again. And good luck to him.
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    Re: Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

    Postby SwordMaster » 03 Mar 2009 12:25

    SandChigger wrote:
    Freakzilla wrote:
    chanilover wrote:Are any state government proposing a rejection of federal funding programmes for their crumbling infrastructure?


    Yes, many states are considering it, especially those with Republican governors.

    Yeah, heard a little about that bit in one state (Louisiana maybe?). The governor is making a big show of rejecting the funds knowing all the while that the state legislature can overturn it and accept them, so the people of his state aren't out anything. And he gets the future political capital of being able to say he opposed Obama.

    Go Republican governors! :roll:


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    Re: Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

    Postby chanilover » 03 Mar 2009 12:38

    Freakzilla wrote:
    chanilover wrote:Are any state government proposing a rejection of federal funding programmes for their crumbling infrastructure?


    Yes, many states are considering it, especially those with Republican governors.
    I suppose the occasional collapsing bridge in Minnesota or leaking levee in Louisiana is a price worth paying for a little political capital. Go Republicans!

    Or how about withdrawing occupying US troops from foreign countries who are protecting US "interests" (i.e. oil supplies) as the US has no business being there?


    Well, a lot of those men are state guardsmen, if the state deemed what the federal government was doing with them unconstitutional they would have cause to.
    And have all that lovely oil supply dry up and their constituents complaining that petrol (or gas or whatever it's called in the US) is so much more pricey these days. Not to mention all those danged terrorists running around the streets.

    Or are these morons completely oblivious of the world around them? I'm constantly amazed at how insular many Americans are. They only seem to be concerned about issues which affect their own neighbourhoods.


    I don't give a fuck how out of touch the polititians are, I think the way they are spending our money is criminal.
    I'm talking about many American citizens being insular, parochial and completely oblivious of the world beyond the end of their streets. You're right, though. Spending something like a trillion dollars on an illegal war in Iraq is truly criminal.
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    Re: Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

    Postby SwordMaster » 03 Mar 2009 12:41

    chanilover wrote:
    Freakzilla wrote:
    chanilover wrote:Are any state government proposing a rejection of federal funding programmes for their crumbling infrastructure?


    Yes, many states are considering it, especially those with Republican governors.
    I suppose the occasional collapsing bridge in Minnesota or leaking levee in Louisiana is a price worth paying for a little political capital. Go Republicans!

    Or how about withdrawing occupying US troops from foreign countries who are protecting US "interests" (i.e. oil supplies) as the US has no business being there?


    Well, a lot of those men are state guardsmen, if the state deemed what the federal government was doing with them unconstitutional they would have cause to.
    And have all that lovely oil supply dry up and their constituents complaining that petrol (or gas or whatever it's called in the US) is so much more pricey these days. Not to mention all those danged terrorists running around the streets.

    Or are these morons completely oblivious of the world around them? I'm constantly amazed at how insular many Americans are. They only seem to be concerned about issues which affect their own neighbourhoods.


    I don't give a fuck how out of touch the polititians are, I think the way they are spending our money is criminal.
    I'm talking about many American citizens being insular, parochial and completely oblivious of the world beyond the end of their streets. You're right, though. Spending something like a trillion dollars on an illegal war in Iraq is truly criminal.


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    Re: Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

    Postby chanilover » 03 Mar 2009 12:42

    Tyrant wrote:
    chanilover wrote: :laughing: Typical American parochialism and idiotic conspiracy theories. "They're taking our guns - our guns are our freedom!"


    hey.. i love my 45 ...and with the country goin to shit ... who knows how bad it'll get.. if it resorts to looting and chaos ...im gonna need it to protect my family (im sure family owned guns helped keep looters out of some homes during the LA riots)... gun control doesnt keep guns out of the hands of bad people..it keeps it out the hands of good people ... the bad people will get them anyway... look at the war on drugs.. alot of bad people are making alot of money cause the stupid ass government handed them this wealth and power on a silver platter by outlawing drugs .... the same thing would happen with guns ... it'll never happen though .... the redneck agenda (rich fat republicans from texas :wink: ) wont let it ...... right freak :wink:


    Those are just mindless slogans and soundbites. I think a big shoot em up in the US will make great TV. The only downside is the innocent bystanders who want no part of that Wild West insane mentality getting caught in the crossfire.

    Let me know when you're all planning on shooting the shit out of each other, I'll get some beers and pizzas in. :lol:
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    This shoot em up is going to fucking ROCK! Jesus, reading that it's all so fucking sick and twisted it's hard to know whether to laugh at crazy Americans or just cry.
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    Postby SwordMaster » 03 Mar 2009 13:04

    It makes me sad. Towards the end, did Rome not want all Roman citizens to have a sword and means of defending? A whole lot of good that did them.
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    Postby Freakzilla » 03 Mar 2009 13:22

    chanilover wrote:


    This shoot em up is going to fucking ROCK! Jesus, reading that it's all so fucking sick and twisted it's hard to know whether to laugh at crazy Americans or just cry.


    ...merely a couple of the many emotional reactions we have to offer!

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    Postby SandChigger » 03 Mar 2009 13:34

    America: Building a Chinese base for your future! :lol:
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    Postby SwordMaster » 03 Mar 2009 13:42

    If every body has guns then nobody will ever use them!
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    Re: Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 03 Mar 2009 14:10

    Baraka Bryan wrote:
    Tyrant wrote:. gun control doesnt keep guns out of the hands of bad people..it keeps it out the hands of good people ... the bad people will get them anyway...


    very true. in canada the previous Liberal government brought in a gun registry that was supposed to get all long-guns and shotguns registered.the initial estimates were that it would cost $100M. in the end, it didn't do its job, it pissed off a shitload of hunters and farmers, and cost over $1B!

    it also did nothing to curtail gun crime or prevent those who would use guns illegally from procuring them.

    to fight gun crime, you need outright bans and strict border control, but even then, illegal guns will still come in.


    Actually, you're missing the really stupid part about the gun registry. It was only for rifles - handguns already had to be registered. And what are the VAST majority of gun crimes committed with? Handguns. So we/they already knew that it wouldn't work, and they did it anyways. :? Plus it shouldn't have cost that much.

    Having said that, I'm still for the complete halt of handgun sales in Canada. Not saying make them illegal to own, just to buy or sell, or, if that makes no sense from a legal standpoint, make them illegal to own, but only a small fine and confiscation. Then, after that's been in place for a decade or two, make them really illegal and start enforcing it. Rifles I have no problem with unless they can hold too many rounds or are automatic. And, once again, this isn’t a big life or death (pun) issue for me, just something I think would be an improvement to have on the “to-do” list.

    Yes this will in theory boost the black market trade slightly, but it's not like this is weed, or booze, or something else that everyone wants badly enough to break the law to buy. The number of people who would go on the black market for guns would be probably about the same as it is now for people who go there to buy their guns anyways because they want unregistered/untraceable guns.
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