trang wrote:Not using plastic bags, not farting, not driving a 10mpG gas sucker, is not gonna make a difference, period. We got plenty of resources, plenty of square mileage available per person, we could handle 3 times what the population is now and mother earth wont bat an eyeball.
I still wouldn't completely agree with this. I still think there are many ways that we are putting a strain on many aspects of our ecosystem. And besides, on a long-enough timeline the theory behind man-made climate change is still valid. It has just gone back to the pre-1995 version, where our influence on sea levels and ice-caps may be as much as 1000 years down the road. In my opinion, it's not enough to say we'll have abandoned the planet by then, or we'll at least have figured out a solution. One of the up-sides (and possibly part of what the conspirators intended) is that now the seed has been planted. There are now thousands of new businesses dedicated to finding and developing alternative, renewable energy sources. If peak-oil isn't enough motivation for such new adaptations, then maybe the now-distant anthropogenic climate crisis is.
trang wrote:I'm not on the bandwagon that bee's go we go either. They perform a function on nature for sure, but if they fall short, nature adapts and will replace it with another method.. it might take more years that I can imagine, but the system would compensate. The other is that bee's are not all that complex and beyond our grasp that we could develop an artificial means, again that might take longer in years than I can count, but its very very possible.
Last I heard, the bees were back on the upswing. I believe it was a Canadian study that said so.
Freakzilla wrote:Drunken Idaho wrote::lol: FSM save us!
And for the record, the former science of climate change was a lot more complex than "temperature goes up, no more snow!"
But I guess there's no point in bickering about all that anymore...
Many places have experience record low temperatures the last couple of years.
Yeah but- Gahhhhh! Musssttt ressiisst urrge to deffenndddd bulllshittt cclimate sssciennce...
The thing is, they pretty much had us believing that a rise in global temperature also had unique effects such as shorter, more intense winters, along with record low temperatures in certain areas. In addition to this, we also expected to see record droughts and high temperatures in other areas. Australia, for example, was hit pretty hard in that respect, and still is. I'm still pretty sure that anthropogenic climate change (should it ever become a real issue) would actually work like that. Notice the apparently natural shift we're experiencing now. But whenever I had gotten into the science of it, these tumultuous symptoms all seemed to make a lot of sense. Like Thing pointed out, it's hard not to feel like a tool for having put my trust in the reports of the IPCC. But I became environmentally conscious only shortly before the W. administration. Certainly I can't be blamed for sooner believing a large group of scientists, rather than politicians and corporations.
Anyway, back to reading these emails...