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Nekhrun wrote:

inhuien wrote:

Naïve mind wrote:I never imagined a discussion between agnostics and other agnostics could get so heated.

You misunderstand, it is a discussion between an agnostic an an atheist. Unless of course I misunderstand.

I suppose I consider myself an atheist, though I think the very idea that I would need a label to identify that I only believe in things for which there is evidence is absurd. It requires absolutely no faith for me not to believe. Should evidence present itself that is contrary to one of my current beliefs then I would change my mind based on that. It is not faith to believe in something which can be observed and repeated.

Sure you can approach it from a non theist angle and that's fine. I've taken the liberty of bolding part of your post and you are of course completely correct. That's the very keystone of empirical and peer review scientific research, taking a theory to a law, in a scientific context. But, and you seen this coming like a train, at this point in time we can not disproof God in what ever way. Something caused this universe to exist, if we are merely the effluence of extra dimensional happenings, so what.

I used to fall into the atheist camp myself, over time I came to realise that that was a conceit of opinion based on nothing but disbelief. To quote Bill, It's just a ride, and I don't have a horse in this race, and If there was a race, I think there would only be one horse.

For we walk by faith, not sight.

Visigoth wrote:For we walk by faith, not sight.

Interesting words for sure, for us dullards what's it mean? Or are you just ripping from scriptures without relevancy

indicates that faith is response to a realm of mystery,
not facts

"render unto caesar what is caesars
and unto god what is god's"

Well whatever it means, it's wrong.

by wrong you mean used here incorrrect
not valueless
right?

I'm meant incorrect, which also makes it with out value.

Visigoth wrote:For we walk by faith, not sight.

I walk with my legs and feet in addition to some of the other interconnected parts that work beautifully via the stimulus my brain received through the sense of touch...also by sight.

Nekhrun wrote:

Visigoth wrote:For we walk by faith, not sight.

I walk with my legs and feet in addition to some of the other interconnected parts that work beautifully via the stimulus my brain received through the sense of touch...also by sight.

You use your inner ear for balance, too.

I walk by accident.

Freakzilla wrote:

Nekhrun wrote:

Visigoth wrote:For we walk by faith, not sight.

I walk with my legs and feet in addition to some of the other interconnected parts that work beautifully via the stimulus my brain received through the sense of touch...also by sight.

You use your inner ear for balance, too.

I knew there would be more added here.

We are nothing if not capable and culpable of transforming the sublime to the ridicules with ease.

thats what it gets for just standing there

Does Sex God of Disneyland count as a religion?

For whatever it is worth. I did not vote, as I usually consider my religious beliefs to be rather unique, I suppose. Some people call me "Christian", but others consider me atheist. Go figure.

I do find myself perusing the Bible consistently, but can't consider much of it to be valid, except for what I find in the "red letters." I find the teachings and philosophies of Jesus to be very valid, but can't put any stock in the creation story, the miracles, the resurrection, heaven and hell, etc.

It doesn't matter to me if Jesus actualy existed or not, although I do think a teacher, philosopher, rabbi, or whatever you want to call him, named Jesus probably did and was so radical to the time that Rome killed him off, but beyond that I can't put much stock in the book.

I do keep an open mind about other religious texts, owning various translations of the Bible, the Bhagavad Gita, the Quran, and the Urantia Book.

Complex, I understand, but it does reflect greatly my personality. Eccentric, I suppose.......

If you haven't already, you might find some amusement in studying some texts by the Stoïcs; Epictetus, Seneca and particularly the meditations of emperor Marcus Aurelius. The Stoa was a philosophical school centered in the Greek city of Tarsus, and greatly influenced one Saul of Tarsus, before he became the Apostle Paul while on the road to Damascus.