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JamisJanusJamis

Postby inhuien » 20 Aug 2011 06:18

In another thread Sandy wrote.
if Paul dies at any blind nexus between the fight with Jamis and his ascension to the Imperial Throne,
the Fremen rage out from Dune in His Name, and the Jihad is as horrible as his most dire visions ...

I've been intrigued by the absolute pivotal role played by Jamis for years now, has anyone else noticed the similarity of his name and personification with the Roman God Janus, the god of beginnings and transitions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janus

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Re: JamisJanusJamis

Postby SandRider » 20 Aug 2011 10:59

I'd never made that connection ... interesting point & probably valid (whether or not Frank intended that, or if
that is a connection solely of the reader's making ...) But surely, Jamis is one of the unique characters in literature;
such a small, short part in the narrative, yet such a huge presence thru-out the remainder of the novel (and the series)

maybe sometime in the future, the SandChigger can take a look at it; weigh-in on what the possible origins of Jamis'
name might be ... (also: WTF w/ calling me "Sandy" all of sudden ? it tosses my mind immediately to a wild summer
night on a New Jersey beach, John Travolta singing a song about some blonde Australian chick and slamming his dick
in a car door ...)
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Postby inhuien » 20 Aug 2011 12:35

SandRider wrote: (also: WTF w/ calling me "Sandy" all of sudden ? it tosses my mind immediately to a wild summer
night on a New Jersey beach, John Travolta singing a song about some blonde Australian chick and slamming his dick
in a car door ...)
'Twas merely an affectation, would ending ie instead of y stop yer horny reminiscing
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Re: JamisJanusJamis

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 20 Aug 2011 15:15

Could be a big coincidence, but knowing FH's love of messing with relevant words and sneaking them in, that'd be such a coincidence that in my opinion it's more likely you've hit the nail on the head.

I don't know that we need the linguist on this one, simply because FH tended to just mash words to make them different but leave a hint of the original in there. Look at Kefitzat Haderech to kwisatz haderach, probably no real linguistic technique to it, he just mashed em up until he liked em.

Chig can of course feel free to contradict me on that!
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Postby SandRider » 20 Aug 2011 18:18

I suppose that in this twittified, abbreviated innerwebz kulture I've been forced to deal with, the nomenclature of "SR" is acceptable,
altho I would prefer my complete sietch-name of "SandRider" when addressed directly, and "The SandRider" when discussed in the
third person; I also respond positively to "Major" ... at one time, I also responded positively to "Boss", until under-aged bartenders
began over-using that one ... "What'll ya have, Boss ?" ... if I'm the Boss ... you're fired ....

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Re: JamisJanusJamis

Postby Mandy » 20 Aug 2011 19:29

Now we'll all be thinking of you as Sandy baby :P
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Re: JamisJanusJamis

Postby inhuien » 21 Aug 2011 05:59

SandRider wrote:I suppose that in this twittified, abbreviated innerwebz kulture I've been forced to deal with, the nomenclature of "SR" is acceptable,
altho I would prefer my complete sietch-name of "SandRider" when addressed directly, and "The SandRider" when discussed in the
third person;[/youtube]
Cool, for what's worth I'll refrain from It's use.
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Postby Serkanner » 21 Aug 2011 12:05

Is Major Sandrider acceptable?
"... the mystery of life isn't a problem to solve but a reality to experience."

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Postby Tleszer » 21 Aug 2011 14:37

Major Colonel SandRider, SIR! Your will, my hands.
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Re: JamisJanusJamis

Postby inhuien » 21 Aug 2011 15:32

Look you guys, stop beating about the bush, It's obvious this was an unvoiced plea from the heart. Sir, you shall be Bashar Sand the Rider, arise and mount your steed (donkey).
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Re: JamisJanusJamis

Postby inhuien » 21 Aug 2011 15:34

Anyhoos, in an attempt to halt this drift. Jamis, hot or not?
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Re: JamisJanusJamis

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 21 Aug 2011 22:04

I should have mentioned before too - even on my first read of Dune, I thought Jamis's name was out of place, didn't really seem like a Fremen name. That's why when you proposed this idea I jumped on it more or less completely, because it not only makes sense, it could also explain why this Fremen had a name that seemed odd to me.
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Re: JamisJanusJamis

Postby Freakzilla » 22 Aug 2011 08:57

A Thing of Eternity wrote:I should have mentioned before too - even on my first read of Dune, I thought Jamis's


Jamis' :P

name was out of place, didn't really seem like a Fremen name. That's why when you proposed this idea I jumped on it more or less completely, because it not only makes sense, it could also explain why this Fremen had a name that seemed odd to me.


Was it any more odd than Chatt the Leaper?
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Re: JamisJanusJamis

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 22 Aug 2011 15:09

Freakzilla wrote:
A Thing of Eternity wrote:I should have mentioned before too - even on my first read of Dune, I thought Jamis's


Jamis' :P


Bah!

name was out of place, didn't really seem like a Fremen name. That's why when you proposed this idea I jumped on it more or less completely, because it not only makes sense, it could also explain why this Fremen had a name that seemed odd to me.


Was it any more odd than Chatt the Leaper?


Jamis just sounds way too European to me, but then again I'm no expert. It just seemed really out of place.
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Postby Freakzilla » 22 Aug 2011 15:18

A Thing of Eternity wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:
A Thing of Eternity wrote:I should have mentioned before too - even on my first read of Dune, I thought Jamis's


Jamis' :P


Bah!

name was out of place, didn't really seem like a Fremen name. That's why when you proposed this idea I jumped on it more or less completely, because it not only makes sense, it could also explain why this Fremen had a name that seemed odd to me.


Was it any more odd than Chatt the Leaper?


Jamis just sounds way too European to me, but then again I'm no expert. It just seemed really out of place.


I kind of liked it since it was so close to my name, James.
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Re: JamisJanusJamis

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 22 Aug 2011 15:21

Freakzilla wrote:
A Thing of Eternity wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:
A Thing of Eternity wrote:I should have mentioned before too - even on my first read of Dune, I thought Jamis's


Jamis' :P


Bah!

name was out of place, didn't really seem like a Fremen name. That's why when you proposed this idea I jumped on it more or less completely, because it not only makes sense, it could also explain why this Fremen had a name that seemed odd to me.


Was it any more odd than Chatt the Leaper?


Jamis just sounds way too European to me, but then again I'm no expert. It just seemed really out of place.


I kind of liked it since it was so close to my name, James.


Well, it's not close to Alan at ALL so I liked it less than you! (I actually liked the name just fine, but it seemed as out of place as if one of the Atreides was named Masaharu, or Singh!)
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Re: JamisJanusJamis

Postby SandRider » 22 Aug 2011 16:57

JAY-muss, JAH-muss, juh-MISS, or Yah-muss ?







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Re: JamisJanusJamis

Postby Freakzilla » 22 Aug 2011 17:17

SandRider wrote:JAY-muss, JAH-muss, juh-MISS, or Yah-muss ?







>> first one to toss out Frank's tired old "pronunciation don't mean dick" line
from the McNelly Interview gets Crysknife in Eye ... <<


I pronounce it JAH-miss/JAY-miss. Not sure about that first sylable, I guess.
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Re: JamisJanusJamis

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 22 Aug 2011 17:28

I've always thought of it as "jay-miss" or "jaym-us", that's just my brain looking at the A followed by a single consonant followed by another vowel though, which doesn't always apply obviously.
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Postby Mandy » 22 Aug 2011 19:08

ha.. I always say Jam-miss.
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Re: JamisJanusJamis

Postby JustSomeGuy » 23 Aug 2011 02:38

I've always seen it as Jay-miss.
Here's another question for you guys: How would his peers say his name? Maybe Ha-mees?
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Re: JamisJanusJamis

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 23 Aug 2011 02:42

I could be wrong, but with all the Arabic influence the J I would think would remain a J, though that "ee" for the I does kinda sound like it could be right. I'm no good on this front, but I don't think I remember any Arabic J's becoming H's.
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Re: JamisJanusJamis

Postby SandChigger » 23 Aug 2011 07:58

At least, not outside The Andalus! :lol:

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Re: JamisJanusJamis

Postby JustSomeGuy » 23 Aug 2011 17:58

SandChigger wrote:At least, not outside The Andalus! :lol:


When in doubt, I always go with the Spanish pronunciation. :wink:
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Re: JamisJanusJamis

Postby Omphalos » 23 Aug 2011 21:23

SandChigger wrote:At least, not outside The Andalus! :lol:


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