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Three curses!

Postby SadisticCynic » 19 May 2009 10:51

This will seem off-topic for a moment but bear with me...

In reading The Lazarus Effect I came across a chapter epigraph; a quote from the Histories saying 'May you live in interesting times.' atttributed as a curse. Typing this into Google (I wanted a source) brought up Wikipedia first (naturally). It reveals this is the first of three curses increasing in severity. They are:

May you live in interesting times.
May you come to the attention of those in authority.
May you find what you are looking for.


You can read more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_you_live_in_interesting_times

I thought this bears a remarkable resemblance to the three traditional curses Duncan uses on Stilgar in Children of Dune (can't remember them exactly now). Cool eh?
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Re: Three curses!

Postby Freakzilla » 19 May 2009 12:09

SadisticCynic wrote:I thought this bears a remarkable resemblance to the three traditional curses Duncan uses on Stilgar in Children of Dune (can't remember them exactly now). Cool eh?


"You have defiled my honor!" Stilgar cried. "This is neutral --"
"Shut up!" Idaho glared at the shocked Naib. "You wear a collar, Stilgar!"
It was one of the three most deadly insults which could be directed at a
Fremen. Stilgar's face went pale.
"You are a servant," Idaho said. "You've sold Fremen for their water."
This was the second most deadly insult, the one which had destroyed the
original Jacurutu.
Stilgar ground his teeth, put a hand on his crysknife. The aide stepped back
away from the body in the doorway.
Turning his back on the Naib, Idaho stepped into the door, taking the narrow
opening beside Javid's body and speaking without turning, delivered the third
insult. "You have no immortality, Stilgar. None of your descendants carry your
blood!"
"Where do you go now, mentat?" Stilgar called as Idaho continued leaving the
room. Stilgar's voice was as cold as a wind from the poles.
"To find Jacurutu," Idaho said, still not turning.
Stilgar drew his knife. "Perhaps I can help you."

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Re: Three curses!

Postby Rakis » 19 May 2009 12:25

Freakzilla wrote:
SadisticCynic wrote:I thought this bears a remarkable resemblance to the three traditional curses Duncan uses on Stilgar in Children of Dune (can't remember them exactly now). Cool eh?


"You have defiled my honor!" Stilgar cried. "This is neutral --"
"Shut up!" Idaho glared at the shocked Naib. "You wear a collar, Stilgar!"
It was one of the three most deadly insults which could be directed at a
Fremen. Stilgar's face went pale.
"You are a servant," Idaho said. "You've sold Fremen for their water."
This was the second most deadly insult, the one which had destroyed the
original Jacurutu.
Stilgar ground his teeth, put a hand on his crysknife. The aide stepped back
away from the body in the doorway.
Turning his back on the Naib, Idaho stepped into the door, taking the narrow
opening beside Javid's body and speaking without turning, delivered the third
insult. "You have no immortality, Stilgar. None of your descendants carry your
blood!"
"Where do you go now, mentat?" Stilgar called as Idaho continued leaving the
room. Stilgar's voice was as cold as a wind from the poles.
"To find Jacurutu," Idaho said, still not turning.
Stilgar drew his knife. "Perhaps I can help you."

~CoD


That's WAY more insulting than "May you live in interesting times"... :)
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Re: Three curses!

Postby SadisticCynic » 19 May 2009 13:05

:oops: Forgot those are insults, not curses...
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Re: Three curses!

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 19 May 2009 13:13

Oh well, interesting anyways.
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Re: Three curses!

Postby SandChigger » 19 May 2009 16:12

Yep.

Over the years I've asked a number of my Chinese students if they've ever heard of that curse or something similar. None ever have. Of course, it may have been a pre-Revolution thing, given the early 20th century dates mentioned on the WP page.

Would this qualify as a Fremen curse? "May thy knife chip and shatter." ;)

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Re: Three curses!

Postby SadisticCynic » 19 May 2009 16:56

Yeah I reckon that's a curse. :)
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Re: Three curses!

Postby SandChigger » 19 May 2009 18:50

(I wasn't actually saying it, of course. ;) )

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Re: Three curses!

Postby Freakzilla » 20 May 2009 08:36

SandChigger wrote:Yep.

Over the years I've asked a number of my Chinese students if they've ever heard of that curse or something similar. None ever have. Of course, it may have been a pre-Revolution thing, given the early 20th century dates mentioned on the WP page.

Would this qualify as a Fremen curse? "May thy knife chip and shatter." ;)


I've always thought of it more as an "engaurd" but I guess it is.
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Re: Three curses!

Postby SandChigger » 20 May 2009 10:42

Yeah ... as a curse it's definitely kinda weak in terms of projected duration. Provided things go as you hope. ;)

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Re: Three curses!

Postby SandRider » 20 May 2009 20:48

huh. ya know, I've sold many a Fremen for his Water,
and according to the photographs, I've also worn many a collar.

I suppose I can only pray my sons won't carry my blood, however
that may work. Fuck immortality, Free Your Mind &
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Re: Three curses!

Postby moreh_yeladim » 21 Jun 2009 21:56

SandChigger wrote:Yep.

Over the years I've asked a number of my Chinese students if they've ever heard of that curse or something similar. None ever have. Of course, it may have been a pre-Revolution thing, given the early 20th century dates mentioned on the WP page.

Would this qualify as a Fremen curse? "May thy knife chip and shatter." ;)

"May you live in interesting times" was actually invented in New Jersey. My dad met the guy who made it up and pretended it was an ancient Chinese curse.
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Re: Three curses!

Postby SandChigger » 21 Jun 2009 22:39

And there you have it! :)


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