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Re: How to recognize a first edition?

Postby Hunchback Jack » 08 Feb 2011 23:58

Very nice! And some good info there.

(BTW, I love how Frank always crossed out his printed name on the title page when he signed).

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Re: How to recognize a first edition?

Postby D Pope » 09 Feb 2011 01:26

Whoa, wait! What the hell is with that crazy numberline in the last photo? I've seen where other publishers use that to show which printing- but that one is a first for me! Generally, correct me if i'm wrong, the lowest number indicates the edition, but if that's a ninth printing (based on the price) with no number eight, is that how that line works? Add one to the missing number? And what's that zero about?

BTW, Cool stuff, thanks! Can't wait for the other books! You Da Man! :D
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Re: How to recognize a first edition?

Postby Omphalos » 09 Feb 2011 02:27

Not all publishers follow that convention. Since Chilton did very little fiction, I would bet that they did not. Its probably the first number, since that is a nine.

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Re: How to recognize a first edition?

Postby Kwisatz » 09 Feb 2011 05:46

In my opinion, based on the pattern you see from printing 5 through 9, it's like first number in a row is the printing and they cut cut this number out in next printing. 0 is next to 9 if you use only cyphers. For example 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 and so on. There are only 9 printings and we don't know what could be printing 10th in this manner.

BTW I think I have some Frank's signatures that he didn't cross his printed name at all. I also have Heretics of Dune with 2 consecutive Frank's inscriptions on 2 sequential pages. I don't know why he did that, maybe his mind was on Arrakis during the signing ;) Anyway - it's one of a kind.
I also know a guy who has few books with inscriptions like that: 'for second son - Bruce'.

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Re: How to recognize a first edition?

Postby Freakzilla » 09 Feb 2011 08:57

Kwisatz wrote:I also know a guy who has few books with inscriptions like that: 'for second son - Bruce'.


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Re: How to recognize a first edition?

Postby Kwisatz » 09 Feb 2011 09:16

The exact inscription was:
'For #2 Son Bruce Cal Herbert - Frank Herbert'
The rest was like: 'For my Son Bruce'

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Re: How to recognize a first edition?

Postby Kwisatz » 09 Feb 2011 12:32

I'm not an expert in different editions of DM, CoD and GEoD, but there are few facts I know for sure:

Dune Messiah:

1st printing: no indication of printing or edition, Library of Congress catalog card number on the bottom of copyright page, price $4.95 on the front flap, brown boards. Also book is little smaller than later printings - both height and width. 256 numbered pages.
2nd printing: 'second impression' on copyright page, no card number, price $14.95, black boards, 220 numbered pages.
3rd printing: 'third impression' on copyright page, price $7.95, red boards.
6th printing: 'sixth impression' on copyright page, price $17.95.
8th printing: 'eight impression', ISBN on back cover, price $18.95, 220 numbered pages.
9th printing:

Children of Dune:

1st: price $8.95 (the same for at least 11 printings), color of the boards is also the same for at least printings 1-11, no indication of first edition or printing
2nd: only difference - second impression on copyright page
3rd: third impression
4th: fouth impression and additional SBN number on copyright page
5th: fifth impression and additional SBN number on copyright page
6-10th - I don't have those, but trend is obvious
11th: eleventh impression and additional SBN number on copyright page

God Emperor of Dune:

1st: price $12.95, black boards, no indication of first edition or printing
2nd: only difference - 'second impression' on the top of copyrights


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If anyone has info with photos about other printings - you must share with us! ;)
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Re: How to recognize a first edition?

Postby Freakzilla » 09 Feb 2011 12:47

This is excellent info, Kwizatz. Thank you.

(Are you guys at Lampadas getting all this?)
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Re: How to recognize a first edition?

Postby ᴶᵛᵀᴬ » 09 Feb 2011 19:48

My herbertians Cicerone :

:arrow: Daniel J.H. LEVACK . Dune Master: Frank Herbert Bibliography (Bibliographies & Indexes in Science Fiction, Fantasy & Horror)

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:arrow: Phil STEPHENSEN-PAYNE . Frank Herbert a voice from the desert

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It's (almost) complete :lol:



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      Re: How to recognize a first edition?

      Postby Omphalos » 09 Feb 2011 22:26

      That's the book I'm going to splurge in. Tonight, maybe. If I can deflect the mouse's attention while i order it online.

      Thanks for that link, Joseph. I had not seen that guy's site before. And I am reminded that I have about 60 things to add to that list, so I should get off my ass and update it. Actually, I think that web version is older even than the list at T(A)U. Time to fix that too.

      Hey, Joseph. Have you told that guy about the Lampadas Library?

      EDIT: Now that I think about it, is that the T(A)U member who wrote a dissertation on feminist issues in the Dune series? I wonder. Have not heard back from that person in a while, and don't even remember his (her?) id over that, but something makes me think it is.

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      Re: How to recognize a first edition?

      Postby Hunchback Jack » 09 Feb 2011 23:52

      [off-topic]
      Have you already discovered this one, Chig?

      http://baheyeldin.com/literature/arabic ... -dune.html
      [/off-topic]

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      Re: How to recognize a first edition?

      Postby ᴶᵛᵀᴬ » 10 Feb 2011 10:11

      Omphalos wrote:That's the book I'm going to splurge in. Tonight, maybe. If I can deflect the mouse's attention while i order it online.


      A review by Walter E. Meyers (the linguist ?) at SFS. Great book. I'm planning to digitize it for our secret forum.

      Omphalos wrote:Thanks for that link, Joseph. I had not seen that guy's site before. And I am reminded that I have about 60 things to add to that list, so I should get off my ass and update it. Actually, I think that web version is older even than the list at T(A)U. Time to fix that too.

      Hey, Joseph. Have you told that guy about the Lampadas Library?


      Don't know him, but, you know, his compilation is ....just a compilation (without verification or primary sources) : that's called "reinventing the square wheel" :)


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          Re: How to recognize a first edition?

          Postby ᴶᵛᵀᴬ » 10 Feb 2011 10:14

          Hunchback Jack wrote:[off-topic]
          Have you already discovered this one, Chig?

          http://baheyeldin.com/literature/arabic ... -dune.html
          [/off-topic]

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              Re: How to recognize a first edition?

              Postby SandRider » 10 Feb 2011 12:25

              will someone with time on their hands please crop the signatures from the above pics
              and post them with the other handwriting samples in the "Notes" section in the Basement
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              Re: How to recognize a first edition?

              Postby SandChigger » 10 Feb 2011 19:15

              Hunchback Jack wrote:[off-topic]
              Have you already discovered this one, Chig?

              http://baheyeldin.com/literature/arabic ... -dune.html
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              HBJ

              ;)

              http://resources.hairyticksofdune.net/fremen.php See Note 1 at the bottom. :)

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              Re: How to recognize a first edition?

              Postby Hunchback Jack » 11 Feb 2011 01:36

              Figured as much. :)

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              Re: How to recognize a first edition?

              Postby Kwisatz » 21 Jun 2011 06:30

              Kwisatz wrote:
              1: 1965. $5.95 (blue boards) (Philadelphia, Toronto Ambassador Books). Only first edition stated, with no indication of the printing, spelling error in Muad'Dib (Maud'Dib) title of 2nd part of novel. This error is in all 9 printings (BCE has the correct version though).


              I'm not so sure that Maud'Dib was a spelling error cause according to Fullerton Archives that was a working title of Dune. Of course they could make a spelling error in the listing ;)

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              Re: How to recognize a first edition?

              Postby SandChigger » 21 Jun 2011 14:52

              (It is a spelling error at least as a transliteration of the original Arabic word upon which the name was based. ;) )

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              Re: How to recognize a first edition?

              Postby D Pope » 21 Jun 2011 20:57

              Does anyone have info on 1st 1st The Jesus Incident?

              edit; I remember posting about a typo in the chapter where Paul meets Kynes, I think a paragraph gets repeated- sort of.
              re-edit; found it:
              viewtopic.php?f=18&t=443&p=92516&hilit=typo+in+dune#p92516
              Leto II is gone for good, except for OM. The "pearl" was just that; a miniscule portion of what Leto was, and not a compressed version of the whole. The pearl that the worms have do not make them Leto, or in any way similar to him.
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              Re: How to recognize a first edition?

              Postby Kwisatz » 22 Jun 2011 02:43

              What information do you need?

              My 1/1 has no indication of edition or printing. Price $10.95, ISBN: 0-399-12268-0

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              Re: How to recognize a first edition?

              Postby Mediokrates » 04 Jul 2011 11:17

              Hi all,

              Does anyone know anything about Dune Messiah? I have 2 copies in HC. One is an obvious BC edition, with red boards. Mint condition.
              The other looks to be a 1st/1st trade edition; however, it has black boards instead of the tan I've seen on other versions.
              I've seen versions with black boards, stating 2nd impression on the copyright page, but mine states no impression whatsoever, just like a true first.
              The book itself is flawless, but the DJ is torn with sun fading to the spine.

              I tried to upload pictures, but it wouldn't allow me (any ideas?)

              Thanks,

              I also have 1st printings HC of Children, God-Emperor, and Heretics.

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              Re: How to recognize a first edition?

              Postby Kwisatz » 04 Jul 2011 11:32

              Did you compare your copyright page with my pictures a page earlier? Maybe it's a later BCE as in case of Dune, where there were red and later brown boards.

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              Re: How to recognize a first edition?

              Postby Serkanner » 04 Jul 2011 12:56

              Isn't there also a difference between the British and the U.S. 1st editions?
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              Re: How to recognize a first edition?

              Postby ULFsurfer » 04 Jul 2011 13:56

              Maybe it's possible to figure out by just measuring the book dimensions and check page numbers. There is a difference between the 1st print and later in terms of both, as well as the book club edition. On top of my head I think the 1st print has 256 numbered pages. Is your DJ clipped anywhere on the front flap?

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              Re: How to recognize a first edition?

              Postby Kwisatz » 04 Jul 2011 14:03

              Right, 2nd and BCE have 220 numbered pages + Ghola's Hymn page