How to recognize a first edition?
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Re: How to recognize a first edition?
I know I'm bumping an old thread, but
FINALLY. I found a list of what's what for Dune printings. Turns out I have a fine copy of the Chilton book FIFTH edition. Everyone was telling me since it was a "red book" it had to be a BCE, but everything I could find indicated otherwise. Thanks!
I'd been wanting to sell it, but the BCE stigma kept me from doing so. Now I can weigh in with confidence.
May I take the identification information content and print it somewhere else for another couple people who've asked the same question?
FINALLY. I found a list of what's what for Dune printings. Turns out I have a fine copy of the Chilton book FIFTH edition. Everyone was telling me since it was a "red book" it had to be a BCE, but everything I could find indicated otherwise. Thanks!
I'd been wanting to sell it, but the BCE stigma kept me from doing so. Now I can weigh in with confidence.
May I take the identification information content and print it somewhere else for another couple people who've asked the same question?
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Why dont you just give them the link? That way some Dunies can come to a great Dune forum.Seeker wrote:May I take the identification information content and print it somewhere else for another couple people who've asked the same question?
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Re: How to recognize a first edition?
Will do.
Thanks for the great information.
Thanks for the great information.
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we like that here -I know I'm bumping an old thread, but
much better than starting a new thread on the same topic,
and burying the information already posted .... so ...
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Re: How to recognize a first edition?
I found some more great info on Dune, sorry i'm no good at transferring the pictures.
http://www.fedpo.com/BookDetail.php/Dune" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.fedpo.com/BookDetail.php/Dune" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Leto II is gone for good, except for OM. The "pearl" was just that; a miniscule portion of what Leto was, and not a compressed version of the whole. The pearl that the worms have do not make them Leto, or in any way similar to him.
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Re: How to recognize a first edition?
If anyone has info for the books after Dune, plaese share it!
I haven't searched past Messiah yet, all i've gotten is prior to 1976 it won't say first edition but prints after the first will say second impression, third- and so on.
I haven't searched past Messiah yet, all i've gotten is prior to 1976 it won't say first edition but prints after the first will say second impression, third- and so on.
Leto II is gone for good, except for OM. The "pearl" was just that; a miniscule portion of what Leto was, and not a compressed version of the whole. The pearl that the worms have do not make them Leto, or in any way similar to him.
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Re: How to recognize a first edition?
As I said earlier today in another topic about our FH collection I'd like to share my knowledge about all 9 printings of Dune by Chilton.
1: 1965. $5.95 (blue boards) (Philadelphia, Toronto Ambassador Books). Only first edition stated, with no indication of the printing, this could be a spelling error in Muad'Dib (Maud'Dib) title of 2nd part of novel (but according to Fullerton Archives that was a working title of Dune). This 'error' is in all 9 printings (BCE has the correct version though). Grey endpapers (only in 1st printing), 4 lines on the bottom of back flap (only in 1st). No ISBN number.
2: April 1968. $5.95 (green boards) (Philadephia, Ontario) - Second printing - stated below first edition text, 2 lines on the bottom of back flap. No ISBN number.
3: November 1970. $5.95 (red boards) (Philadephia, Ontario) - Third printing stated below text of second printing. ISBN number: 0-8019-5077-5 (only on copyright page).
4: Dec 1972 $5.95 (red boards). Forth printing stated below third printing text. Rest details the same as in 3rd printing.
5: 567890 432109876 $7.95 (red boards) (Radnor, Pennsylvania). Only stated 'first edition' and number line below with no indication of printing in text. ISBN number also on front flap, 2 lines on the bottom of back flap but different from the printings 2-4.
6: 67890 43210987 $7.95 (red boards) (Radnor PA, Don Mills). No text 'first edition', only number line (the same case in printings 7-9). Added location in copyrights - Don Mills). Rest the same as in 5th printing.
7: 7890 43210987 $7.95 (red boards) (Radnor PA, Don Mills). Added 'ISBN' text to the front flap. Added ISBN number on the bottom right of backcover.
8: 890 43210 $10.95 (red boards) (Radnor PA, Don Mills). Apart of number line and new price - rest is the same as in 7th.
9: 9012345 7654321 $12.95 (red boards) (Radnor PA, Don Mills). New layout of the copyrights, new price and number line obviously.
Rest is history!
And now some photos:
1st printing
2nd printing
3rd printing
4th printing
5th printing
6th printing
7th printing
8th printing
9th printing
1: 1965. $5.95 (blue boards) (Philadelphia, Toronto Ambassador Books). Only first edition stated, with no indication of the printing, this could be a spelling error in Muad'Dib (Maud'Dib) title of 2nd part of novel (but according to Fullerton Archives that was a working title of Dune). This 'error' is in all 9 printings (BCE has the correct version though). Grey endpapers (only in 1st printing), 4 lines on the bottom of back flap (only in 1st). No ISBN number.
2: April 1968. $5.95 (green boards) (Philadephia, Ontario) - Second printing - stated below first edition text, 2 lines on the bottom of back flap. No ISBN number.
3: November 1970. $5.95 (red boards) (Philadephia, Ontario) - Third printing stated below text of second printing. ISBN number: 0-8019-5077-5 (only on copyright page).
4: Dec 1972 $5.95 (red boards). Forth printing stated below third printing text. Rest details the same as in 3rd printing.
5: 567890 432109876 $7.95 (red boards) (Radnor, Pennsylvania). Only stated 'first edition' and number line below with no indication of printing in text. ISBN number also on front flap, 2 lines on the bottom of back flap but different from the printings 2-4.
6: 67890 43210987 $7.95 (red boards) (Radnor PA, Don Mills). No text 'first edition', only number line (the same case in printings 7-9). Added location in copyrights - Don Mills). Rest the same as in 5th printing.
7: 7890 43210987 $7.95 (red boards) (Radnor PA, Don Mills). Added 'ISBN' text to the front flap. Added ISBN number on the bottom right of backcover.
8: 890 43210 $10.95 (red boards) (Radnor PA, Don Mills). Apart of number line and new price - rest is the same as in 7th.
9: 9012345 7654321 $12.95 (red boards) (Radnor PA, Don Mills). New layout of the copyrights, new price and number line obviously.
Rest is history!
And now some photos:
1st printing
2nd printing
3rd printing
4th printing
5th printing
6th printing
7th printing
8th printing
9th printing
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Re: How to recognize a first edition?
Very nice! And some good info there.
(BTW, I love how Frank always crossed out his printed name on the title page when he signed).
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(BTW, I love how Frank always crossed out his printed name on the title page when he signed).
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Re: How to recognize a first edition?
Whoa, wait! What the hell is with that crazy numberline in the last photo? I've seen where other publishers use that to show which printing- but that one is a first for me! Generally, correct me if i'm wrong, the lowest number indicates the edition, but if that's a ninth printing (based on the price) with no number eight, is that how that line works? Add one to the missing number? And what's that zero about?
BTW, Cool stuff, thanks! Can't wait for the other books! You Da Man!
BTW, Cool stuff, thanks! Can't wait for the other books! You Da Man!
Leto II is gone for good, except for OM. The "pearl" was just that; a miniscule portion of what Leto was, and not a compressed version of the whole. The pearl that the worms have do not make them Leto, or in any way similar to him.
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Re: How to recognize a first edition?
Not all publishers follow that convention. Since Chilton did very little fiction, I would bet that they did not. Its probably the first number, since that is a nine.
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Re: How to recognize a first edition?
In my opinion, based on the pattern you see from printing 5 through 9, it's like first number in a row is the printing and they cut cut this number out in next printing. 0 is next to 9 if you use only cyphers. For example 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 and so on. There are only 9 printings and we don't know what could be printing 10th in this manner.
BTW I think I have some Frank's signatures that he didn't cross his printed name at all. I also have Heretics of Dune with 2 consecutive Frank's inscriptions on 2 sequential pages. I don't know why he did that, maybe his mind was on Arrakis during the signing Anyway - it's one of a kind.
I also know a guy who has few books with inscriptions like that: 'for second son - Bruce'.
BTW I think I have some Frank's signatures that he didn't cross his printed name at all. I also have Heretics of Dune with 2 consecutive Frank's inscriptions on 2 sequential pages. I don't know why he did that, maybe his mind was on Arrakis during the signing Anyway - it's one of a kind.
I also know a guy who has few books with inscriptions like that: 'for second son - Bruce'.
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Kwisatz wrote:I also know a guy who has few books with inscriptions like that: 'for second son - Bruce'.
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The exact inscription was:
'For #2 Son Bruce Cal Herbert - Frank Herbert'
The rest was like: 'For my Son Bruce'
'For #2 Son Bruce Cal Herbert - Frank Herbert'
The rest was like: 'For my Son Bruce'
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Re: How to recognize a first edition?
I'm not an expert in different editions of DM, CoD and GEoD, but there are few facts I know for sure:
Dune Messiah:
1st printing: no indication of printing or edition, Library of Congress catalog card number on the bottom of copyright page, price $4.95 on the front flap, brown boards. Also book is little smaller than later printings - both height and width. 256 numbered pages.
2nd printing: 'second impression' on copyright page, no card number, price $14.95, black boards, 220 numbered pages.
3rd printing: 'third impression' on copyright page, price $7.95, red boards.
6th printing: 'sixth impression' on copyright page, price $17.95.
8th printing: 'eight impression', ISBN on back cover, price $18.95, 220 numbered pages.
9th printing:
Children of Dune:
1st: price $8.95 (the same for at least 11 printings), color of the boards is also the same for at least printings 1-11, no indication of first edition or printing
2nd: only difference - second impression on copyright page
3rd: third impression
4th: fouth impression and additional SBN number on copyright page
5th: fifth impression and additional SBN number on copyright page
6-10th - I don't have those, but trend is obvious
11th: eleventh impression and additional SBN number on copyright page
God Emperor of Dune:
1st: price $12.95, black boards, no indication of first edition or printing
2nd: only difference - 'second impression' on the top of copyrights
2nd printing:
If anyone has info with photos about other printings - you must share with us!
Dune Messiah:
1st printing: no indication of printing or edition, Library of Congress catalog card number on the bottom of copyright page, price $4.95 on the front flap, brown boards. Also book is little smaller than later printings - both height and width. 256 numbered pages.
2nd printing: 'second impression' on copyright page, no card number, price $14.95, black boards, 220 numbered pages.
3rd printing: 'third impression' on copyright page, price $7.95, red boards.
6th printing: 'sixth impression' on copyright page, price $17.95.
8th printing: 'eight impression', ISBN on back cover, price $18.95, 220 numbered pages.
9th printing:
Children of Dune:
1st: price $8.95 (the same for at least 11 printings), color of the boards is also the same for at least printings 1-11, no indication of first edition or printing
2nd: only difference - second impression on copyright page
3rd: third impression
4th: fouth impression and additional SBN number on copyright page
5th: fifth impression and additional SBN number on copyright page
6-10th - I don't have those, but trend is obvious
11th: eleventh impression and additional SBN number on copyright page
God Emperor of Dune:
1st: price $12.95, black boards, no indication of first edition or printing
2nd: only difference - 'second impression' on the top of copyrights
2nd printing:
If anyone has info with photos about other printings - you must share with us!
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Re: How to recognize a first edition?
This is excellent info, Kwizatz. Thank you.
(Are you guys at Lampadas getting all this?)
(Are you guys at Lampadas getting all this?)
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My herbertians Cicerone :
Daniel J.H. LEVACK . Dune Master: Frank Herbert Bibliography (Bibliographies & Indexes in Science Fiction, Fantasy & Horror)
Phil STEPHENSEN-PAYNE . Frank Herbert a voice from the desert
It's (almost) complete
PS : Omphalos' clone
Daniel J.H. LEVACK . Dune Master: Frank Herbert Bibliography (Bibliographies & Indexes in Science Fiction, Fantasy & Horror)
Phil STEPHENSEN-PAYNE . Frank Herbert a voice from the desert
It's (almost) complete
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That's the book I'm going to splurge in. Tonight, maybe. If I can deflect the mouse's attention while i order it online.
Thanks for that link, Joseph. I had not seen that guy's site before. And I am reminded that I have about 60 things to add to that list, so I should get off my ass and update it. Actually, I think that web version is older even than the list at T(A)U. Time to fix that too.
Hey, Joseph. Have you told that guy about the Lampadas Library?
EDIT: Now that I think about it, is that the T(A)U member who wrote a dissertation on feminist issues in the Dune series? I wonder. Have not heard back from that person in a while, and don't even remember his (her?) id over that, but something makes me think it is.
Thanks for that link, Joseph. I had not seen that guy's site before. And I am reminded that I have about 60 things to add to that list, so I should get off my ass and update it. Actually, I think that web version is older even than the list at T(A)U. Time to fix that too.
Hey, Joseph. Have you told that guy about the Lampadas Library?
EDIT: Now that I think about it, is that the T(A)U member who wrote a dissertation on feminist issues in the Dune series? I wonder. Have not heard back from that person in a while, and don't even remember his (her?) id over that, but something makes me think it is.
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Have you already discovered this one, Chig?
http://baheyeldin.com/literature/arabic ... -dune.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Have you already discovered this one, Chig?
http://baheyeldin.com/literature/arabic ... -dune.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
[/off-topic]
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A review by Walter E. Meyers (the linguist ?) at SFS. Great book. I'm planning to digitize it for our secret forum.Omphalos wrote:That's the book I'm going to splurge in. Tonight, maybe. If I can deflect the mouse's attention while i order it online.
Don't know him, but, you know, his compilation is ....just a compilation (without verification or primary sources) : that's called "reinventing the square wheel"Omphalos wrote:Thanks for that link, Joseph. I had not seen that guy's site before. And I am reminded that I have about 60 things to add to that list, so I should get off my ass and update it. Actually, I think that web version is older even than the list at T(A)U. Time to fix that too.
Hey, Joseph. Have you told that guy about the Lampadas Library?
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He's our mutual "Facebook friend"Hunchback Jack wrote:[off-topic]
Have you already discovered this one, Chig?
http://baheyeldin.com/literature/arabic ... -dune.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: How to recognize a first edition?
will someone with time on their hands please crop the signatures from the above pics
and post them with the other handwriting samples in the "Notes" section in the Basement
Archive @T(A)U ...
and post them with the other handwriting samples in the "Notes" section in the Basement
Archive @T(A)U ...
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Re: How to recognize a first edition?
Hunchback Jack wrote:[off-topic]
Have you already discovered this one, Chig?
http://baheyeldin.com/literature/arabic ... -dune.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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http://resources.hairyticksofdune.net/fremen.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; See Note 1 at the bottom.