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    Re: Question about Fremen motivation in Paul's Jihad

    Postby Serkanner » 27 Apr 2016 05:38

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    Re: Question about Fremen motivation in Paul's Jihad

    Postby Naib » 27 Apr 2016 08:10

    lotek wrote:
    Naib wrote:
    georgiedenbro wrote:
    Naib wrote:Thufir might have died before being able to train the next generation.


    There was always Piter :dance:


    Yeah. And pugs make great weapons. :whistle:



    "A madman," the Baron said. "But all Fremen are a little mad."

    "Mad?"

    "His people scream his name as they leap into battle. The women throw their pug dogs at us and hurl themselves onto our knives to open a wedge for their men to attack us. They have no . . . no . . . decency!"


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    Re: Question about Fremen motivation in Paul's Jihad

    Postby xcalibur » 27 Apr 2016 21:43

    On this point I'll disagree, since the BG would surely prefer to use a people they had already groomed for the KH. I guess it's possible they had influenced Sardaukar education as well in some way, but it would have to have been utterly covert with no RM's visible on Salusa since I doubt Shaddam would have tolerated them undermining his army. The process wouldn't have been nearly as integrated into their culture as the mahdi myth was in Fremen culture. Anyhow at the first sign of the BG attempting a coup among the Sardaukar Shaddam could have just ordered the BG worlds eliminated immediately. It would seem like a much riskier plan than using a fighting force they could develop for themselves in secret.


    my thinking was that since the KH would rally his troops through religious mystique, and the Sardaukar had a warrior religion, that they were an alternative. but you're right, it's dependent on the Missionaria Protectiva ideas that are already planted. that, combined with loyalty to the Emperor, would make a Sardaukar coup far riskier and possibly untenable.
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    Re: Question about Fremen motivation in Paul's Jihad

    Postby lotek » 28 Apr 2016 06:39

    I have a feeling not yet backed by any evidence that the Sardaukar were badass enough to resist the powers of persuasion of the BG, and tough enough to go toe to toe with their own fighting skills.
    The only drawback is that the Emperor didn't have enough of them to use more than for sporadic and brutal actions (and even if, the Guild would probably not have allowed it).

    Even the Fremen won against them because of terrain (no shields on Arrakis is to my knowledge the only place they can't be used) and guerilla warfare (and the element of surprise when you've been top of the fight club for so long).
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    Re: Question about Fremen motivation in Paul's Jihad

    Postby SandRider » 02 May 2016 08:03

    Naib wrote:
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    I think the BG had been quietly hedging their bets and had Salusa Secundus in their back pockets as a possible focus to begin their jihad. I think if Jessica had given birth to a girl and she had wed Feyd. That child would have been sent to SS in order to complete training and become a puppet figurehead for the witches.

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