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Alia and her grandfather

Postby weerab » 31 Jul 2014 05:23

Could anyone help me out with something that has bothered me since my first reading of Dune. How could Alia be possessed by her grandfather when she did not have access to the male lineage of her genetic memory? I'm sure this has been explained somewhere in the original books, I just can't seem to find it.

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Re: Alia and her grandfather

Postby Serkanner » 31 Jul 2014 06:06

I don't think it has been explained at all. You can deduct for yourself that like her brother she is a (potential ) Kwisatz Haderach and can see where the BG dare not: male OM.

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Re: Alia and her grandfather

Postby Freakzilla » 31 Jul 2014 06:25

Alia was pre-born due to Jessica changing the Water of Life while pregnant with her. She had no Bene Gesserit training and no prohibitions against male ancestral memory.

Reverend Mothers CAN access male ancestral memories, they just don't out of fear of possession... which is what happened to Alia.
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Re: Alia and her grandfather

Postby Serkanner » 31 Jul 2014 16:01

Freakzilla wrote:Alia was pre-born due to Jessica changing the Water of Life while pregnant with her. She had no Bene Gesserit training and no prohibitions against male ancestral memory.

Reverend Mothers CAN access male ancestral memories, they just don't out of fear of possession... which is what happened to Alia.


... and this ^^
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Re: Alia and her grandfather

Postby Freakzilla » 31 Jul 2014 20:42

Damnit, UH :teasing-smokingcrack:
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Re: Alia and her grandfather

Postby DragEgusku » 05 Aug 2014 06:54

This "possession" thing bothered me too sometimes. I mean, if it's interpreted strictly, even the memory of a simple (male) peasant might possess a trained RM. I find it somewhat hilarious.

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Re: Alia and her grandfather

Postby Freakzilla » 05 Aug 2014 07:11

DragEgusku wrote:This "possession" thing bothered me too sometimes. I mean, if it's interpreted strictly, even the memory of a simple (male) peasant might possess a trained RM. I find it somewhat hilarious.


That IS laughable.

The threat came from combined, malignant male ancestors:

"Abomination;" the Lady Jessica had said, "our term for the pre-born, has a
long history of bitter experiences behind it. The way of it seems to be that the
inner lives divide. They split into the benign and the malignant. The benign
remain tractable, useful. The malignant appear to unite in one powerful psyche,
trying to take over the living flesh and its consciousness. The process is known
to take considerable time, but its signs are well known."


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Re: Alia and her grandfather

Postby DragEgusku » 05 Aug 2014 07:28

Right. But I said: "if it's interpreted strictly". It means that the Baron was able to merge all the maligant male ancestors into a single entity and so he managed to corrupt Alia?

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Re: Alia and her grandfather

Postby Serkanner » 05 Aug 2014 09:34

DragEgusku wrote:This "possession" thing bothered me too sometimes. I mean, if it's interpreted strictly, even the memory of a simple (male) peasant might possess a trained RM. I find it somewhat hilarious.


Sorry, but than you didn't understand the books.
"... the mystery of life isn't a problem to solve but a reality to experience."

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Re: Alia and her grandfather

Postby Serkanner » 05 Aug 2014 09:34

DragEgusku wrote:Right. But I said: "if it's interpreted strictly". It means that the Baron was able to merge all the maligant male ancestors into a single entity and so he managed to corrupt Alia?


No. He used the threat of the others to convince Alia to let him take over.
"... the mystery of life isn't a problem to solve but a reality to experience."

“There is no escape—we pay for the violence of our ancestors.”

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Re: Alia and her grandfather

Postby DragEgusku » 05 Aug 2014 12:07

You're right. Alia always feared possession and the Baron exploited this fear. I had to reread CoD to refresh my memory.

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Re: Alia and her grandfather

Postby Serkanner » 05 Aug 2014 12:58

DragEgusku wrote:You're right. Alia always feared possession and the Baron exploited this fear. I had to reread CoD to refresh my memory.


You can never re-read the enough times. :D
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Re: Alia and her grandfather

Postby Freakzilla » 05 Aug 2014 13:49

The Baron kept the other malignant male personas quiet in exchange for Alia letting him possess her body from time to time.
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