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Mentats as programmers?

Postby DragEgusku » 05 May 2013 17:31

Perhaps the title of the topic is stupid, but I'm really curious if Mentats would be good programmers.
I know that Mentats do not need computers, but as programmers, they would be very capable in this area. That's what I think, but not sure.
For example, I think that the Ixian Navigation Machine was programmed by Mentats.
That would make sense, at least for ixians.
A related question: is still valid Butlerian Jihad's interdiction on computers during the events of Chapterhouse Dune?

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Re: Mentats as programmers?

Postby Jodorowsky's Acolyte » 05 May 2013 18:23

DragEgusku wrote:Perhaps the title of the topic is stupid, but I'm really curious if Mentats would be good programmers.
I know that Mentats do not need computers, but as programmers, they would be very capable in this area. That's what I think, but not sure.
For example, I think that the Ixian Navigation Machine was programmed by Mentats.
That would make sense, at least for ixians.
A related question: is still valid Butlerian Jihad's interdiction on computers during the events of Chapterhouse Dune?


Considering how well developed the minds of Mentats are, I think they are more than capable to know how to create uber-advanced programs with ancient DOS machines.

I'm a little confused by your last question, but I'm pretty sure Mentats are experienced programmers next to being assassins and advisers.
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Re: Mentats as programmers?

Postby Freakzilla » 06 May 2013 07:00

DragEgusku wrote:A related question: is still valid Butlerian Jihad's interdiction on computers during the events of Chapterhouse Dune?


The Bene Gesserit never stopped using computers.
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Re: Mentats as programmers?

Postby DragEgusku » 06 May 2013 11:03

That I understood. But I was referring to human society in general. In Chapterhouse of Dune are mentioned robots (meeting between Bene Gesserit and Honored Matres on Junction), which makes me think that this interdiction was raised.
If the Bene Gesserit have always used computers, I wonder where they have these computers, because the manufacture of computers was strictly prohibited.
Perhaps Ixians have made ​​those computers, but it means that each was the other's hand (mutual blackmail?).
And if we add the Mentats, we get an interesting picture.
Perhaps Frank Herbert wanted to show that nothing is black or white, but a combination of the two.

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Re: Mentats as programmers?

Postby Freakzilla » 06 May 2013 16:10

I got the impression those robots were from The Scattering, where pretty much anything goes. Besides, I believe they were automations, non-thinking.

The BG used computers for their archives and breeding records, I believe.

Having Other Memory, I'm sure they could have built their own computers.
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Re: Mentats as programmers?

Postby Naïve mind » 06 May 2013 23:48

Being a programmer myself (and not actually a mentat) I'm not so sure. Mentats seem to think in grand intuitive leaps; Computers force you to think in small, logically sound steps.

On the other hand, the admonitions to shed preconceptions are frighteningly familiar.

I've been reading Daniel Kahnemann's "Thinking: Fast and Slow" recently, a pop-sci book that summarizes his and others' psychological research into thinking, and the errors we're prone to make. It's quite surprising how much it resonates with the stuff Frank wrote.

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Re: Mentats as programmers?

Postby Freakzilla » 07 May 2013 08:32

I imagine they would excel at the design stage of programming.
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Re: Mentats as programmers?

Postby DragEgusku » 07 May 2013 11:26

@Naïve mind:
I agree that they (Mentats) has intuitive thinking. But also they are able to perform tasks of a purely logical. After all, they are the embodiment of logic, as expressed Ms. Jessica.
For example, they can work as accountants, statisticians and mathematicians.
So I think they would be very good programmers in software design and implementation.
In other words, I do not think they think only intuitive, as you leave the impression.

Freakzilla, you believe that in The Scattering were created intelligent robots?

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Re: Mentats as programmers?

Postby Freakzilla » 07 May 2013 14:09

DragEgusku wrote:Freakzilla, you believe that in The Scattering were created intelligent robots?


No, I believe those robots on Junction were brought from The Scattering, but they were obviously not intelligent.

Allthough, I wouldn't be suprised if they were, somewhere.
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