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Chapterhouse quote?

Postby SandChigger » 13 Dec 2010 15:12

Can anyone find this in their electronic copies of Chapterhouse? It's not in my files.

Although the Order of Mentats founded by Gilbertus Albans will indeed seek temporary refuge among the Tleilaxu, they will avoid being incorporated into the Wekht of Jandola and seed their schools so widely that even Leto II could not surpress them utterly.

Is it in the joint UK/US version Edric did?

(I don't have my copy of that on this machine; will have to check for it on the others later....)

If you find it, could you post the surrounding (con)text, maybe one paragraph or so before and after?

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Re: Chapterhouse quote?

Postby Serkanner » 13 Dec 2010 15:22

"At last, you have asked a proper question." And when she did not reply, he
said: "Mater Felicissima." Addressing her by the ancient term for Bene
Gesserit Council members.

She knew why he did it and felt the word produce the wanted effect. She was
firmly balanced now, Mentat Reverend Mother encompassed by the mohalata of her
own Spice Agony -- that union of benign Other Memory protecting her from
domination by malignant ancestors.

How did he know to do that? Every observer behind the comeyes would be asking
that question. Of course! The Tyrant trained him thus, time and time again.
What do we have here? What is this talent Mother Superior dares employ?
Dangerous, yes, but far more valuable than I suspected. By the gods of our own
creation! Is he the tool to free us?

How calm he was. He knew he had caught her.

"In one of my lives, Bell, I visited your Bene Gesserit house on Wallach IX and
there talked to one of your ancestors, Tersius Helen Anteac. Let her guide you,
Bell. She knows."

Bellonda felt familiar prodding in her mind. How could he know Anteac was my
ancestor?

"I went to Wallach IX at the Tyrant's command," he said. "Oh, yes! I often
thought of him as Tyrant. My orders were to suppress the Mentat school you
thought you had hidden there."

Anteac-simulflow intruded: "I show you now the event of which he speaks."

"Consider," he said. "I, a Mentat, forced to suppress a school that trained
people the way I was trained. I knew why he ordered it, of course, and so do
you."

Simulflow poured it through her awareness: Order of Mentats, founded by
Gilbertus Albans; temporary sanctuary with Bene Tleilax who hoped to incorporate
them into Tleilaxu hegemony; spread into uncounted "seed schools"; suppressed by
Leto II because they formed a nucleus of independent opposition; spread into the
Scattering after the Famine.


"He kept a few of the finest teachers on Dune, but the question Anteac forces
you to confront now does not go there. Where have your Sisters gone, Bell?"

"We have no way of knowing yet, do we?" She looked at his console with new
awareness. It was wrong to block such a mind. If they were to use him, they
must use him fully.

"By the way, Bell," as she stood to leave. "Honored Matres could be a
relatively small group."

Small? Didn't he know how the Sisterhood was being overwhelmed by terrifying
numbers on planet after planet?

"All numbers are relative. Is there something in the universe truly immovable?
Our Old Empire could be a last retreat for them, Bell. A place to hide and try
to regroup."

"You suggested that before . . . to Dar."

Not Mother Superior. Not Odrade. Dar. He smiled. "And perhaps we could help
with Scytale."

"We?"

"Murbella to gather information, I to assess it."

He did not like the smile this produced.
"... the mystery of life isn't a problem to solve but a reality to experience."

“There is no escape—we pay for the violence of our ancestors.”

Sandrider: "Keith went to Bobo's for a weekend of drinking, watched some DVDs,
and wrote a Dune Novel."

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Re: Chapterhouse quote?

Postby SandChigger » 13 Dec 2010 20:41

Thanks, Serkanner! That's what I have in my files, too. (Sorry, I should have posted that and saved you the trouble.)

The similarity (in structure) between the two passages is obvious:

Simulflow poured it through her awareness: Order of Mentats, founded by Gilbertus Albans; temporary sanctuary with Bene Tleilax who hoped to incorporate them into Tleilaxu hegemony; spread into uncounted "seed schools"; suppressed by Leto II because they formed a nucleus of independent opposition; spread into the Scattering after the Famine.

Although the Order of Mentats founded by Gilbertus Albans will indeed seek temporary refuge among the Tleilaxu, they will avoid being incorporated into the Wekht of Jandola and seed their schools so widely that even Leto II could not surpress them utterly.

Are you quoting from the UK or the US version?

The version I quoted shows up in that "The Stars and Planets of Frank Herbert's Dune: A Gazetteer" by Joseph M. Daniels. And it's also been quoted as "from the original" on a Russian forum. I haven't tried tracking it down in my New English Library paperback yet (just getting back up over here after a brief lie-down).

Shukran, again. :)

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Re: Chapterhouse quote?

Postby SandChigger » 13 Dec 2010 21:32

Found it in the NEL pk, pp. 246-7 (Ch.26); it's identical to the version Serkanner quoted and that I have in my files.

Where is this thing from? (Could it be a back-translation? The tenses are a bit off in it, no? And that wouldn't explain Daniels using it, either. :? )

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Re: Chapterhouse quote?

Postby Omphalos » 14 Dec 2010 02:06

NEL is a UK edition, right?

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Re: Chapterhouse quote?

Postby SandChigger » 14 Dec 2010 04:08

Right, New English Library. :)