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    Postby Lisan Al-Gaib » 26 Jan 2009 11:24

    Freakzilla wrote:


    Care to share the contents with the banned?


    Agreed. 8)
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    Postby Tleszer » 26 Jan 2009 11:35

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    Care to share the contents with the banned?


    Omph had posted a link to Spinrad's article on DN. When I last checked, Byron had yet to respond (Omph posted it April 1, 2007) :wink:
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    Postby Freakzilla » 26 Jan 2009 11:56

    :lol:

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    Postby SandRider » 26 Jan 2009 12:10

    great. so you mean I'm waiting for Merritt to stumble across the
    original 15+ year old Spinrad essay, then wait for him to
    realize that things still occur in real time ?

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    Postby Ghost » 26 Jan 2009 12:15

    That thread is from 2007 :lol:
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    Postby Omphalos » 26 Jan 2009 13:12

    Tleszer wrote:
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    Care to share the contents with the banned?


    Omph had posted a link to Spinrad's article on DN. When I last checked, Byron had yet to respond (Omph posted it April 1, 2007) :wink:


    I knew that I had seen that article before, but I forgot that I had tried to bait Byron with it.

    Maybe he thought it was only an April Fool's joke? :lol:
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    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 26 Jan 2009 14:13

    Nice work Sandrider, that was a pretty good read. I think that pretty effectively adds to the pile of evidence for the "we followed the Notes" argument being full of shit.
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    Postby GamePlayer » 26 Jan 2009 15:18

    NS: Maybe. Frank kept going as long as the big money kept rolling in. Knowing Frank's political philosophy, I once asked him how he could keep writing this royalist stuff. He told me he planned to end the series with a novel that would transition to a fictional universe of democratic rule. Never wrote it, of course. And Brian and Kevin certainly didn't from any 7 notes.


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    Postby Seraphan » 28 Jan 2009 11:31

    Excelent. This one should definitely be a sticky.
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    Postby Freakzilla » 28 Jan 2009 12:22

    Seraphan wrote:Excelent. This one should definitely be a sticky.


    I must admit, this guy knows Dune, that intro is outstanding!
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    Postby Schu » 28 Jan 2009 17:32

    Get him to write the sequel! (even if he seems rather jaded about them - or perhaps especially since he's jaded about it)

    Excellent introduction. Especially the bit about transforming your consciousness in a positive way.
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    Postby Freakzilla » 28 Jan 2009 17:54

    Schu wrote:Get him to write the sequel! (even if he seems rather jaded about them - or perhaps especially since he's jaded about it)

    Excellent introduction. Especially the bit about transforming your consciousness in a positive way.


    That's exactly how I felt when I first read Dune, except I was into LSD. Never been able to find mescaline around here.
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    Re: Norman Spinrad Interview

    Postby Phaedrus » 20 Apr 2009 15:53

    Both the interview and the introductory essay are jewels. Spinrad definitely knows what's up.
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    Re: Norman Spinrad Interview

    Postby SandChigger » 09 Apr 2010 13:09

    Spinrad evidently has cancer. He's been posting about undergoing chemo on Facebook.
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    Re: Norman Spinrad Interview

    Postby SandRider » 09 Apr 2010 16:10

    man, I don't even want to hear about that shit ....
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    Re: Norman Spinrad Interview

    Postby Kensai » 07 Jul 2010 13:51

    Thats was a really insightfull enjoyable read. Thanks for posting it.
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    Re: Norman Spinrad Interview

    Postby Omphalos » 08 Jul 2010 03:48

    SandChigger wrote:Spinrad evidently has cancer. He's been posting about undergoing chemo on Facebook.


    Ive been reluctant to talk about this. I hope to god he comes through it fine.
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    Re: Norman Spinrad Interview

    Postby SandRider » 11 Oct 2010 11:49

    Knowing Frank's political philosophy, I once asked him how he could keep writing this royalist stuff. He told me he planned to end the series with a novel that would transition to a fictional universe of democratic rule.

    ~Norman Spinrad, a man who carried on actual conversations with Frank Herbert.




    assuming Spinrad's telling the truth here, or remembering correctly, is this the
    ONLY EXISTING PUBLIC FUCKING CLUE about Frank's possible intentions for Dune7 ?
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    Re: Norman Spinrad Interview

    Postby Lolronica » 24 Feb 2011 07:15

    Really interesting, Spinrad has done some great work, and nice to see that he will still connect on that level (random person gets in contact, seems serious, Spinrad replies to questions). The only part I doubt is the comment about Frank saying he wanted to push it towards democracy, as all here would know, there is not the slightest sign of that up to the end of his work on Dune.
    May just be Spinrad joking about politics of the time (certainly a master of black humour on many occasions), or maybe he wasn't happy with anti-democratic tendencies of Frank's writing and threw it in for disinfo. We're unlikely ever to know. Maybe it really was the plan for Dune 7.
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    Re: Norman Spinrad Interview

    Postby gwern » 27 Jun 2011 21:25

    The democracy bit is neither provable nor disprovable at this point... It's certainly consistent with his essays on Dune, or his writings on the recordings, where he consistently harshly criticizes strong leaders and the Atreides (see viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2690 ), to have an ending in democracy. If only the Atreides are fit to self-govern, if they're the 'adults' the Bene Gesserit strive for, then everyone having Atreides genes and powers would rather imply some sort of anarchy or democracy and not an aristocracy or monarchy.
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    Re: Norman Spinrad Interview

    Postby SandRider » 28 Jun 2011 04:01

    thanks for surfacing this one;
    I was in a blind drunk for most of February, seems I somehow missed most of the Lolronica Dramaticon,
    which is a shame, because while I cannot recall at the moment any of the other foolishness he/she/it posted
    that led to whatever hissy-fit/butt-hurt/don't-let-the-waterseal-slam-your-ass-on-your-way-out Glory-blaze
    and his/her/its departure, I regret having missed this jewel of Misunderstanding Dune: I Read It, But I Don't Get It



    Lolronica wrote: I doubt ... the comment about Frank saying he wanted to push it towards democracy,
    as all here would know, there is not the slightest sign of that up to the end of his work on Dune.
    May just be Spinrad joking about politics of the time .... or maybe he wasn't happy with anti-democratic
    tendencies of Frank's writing and threw it in for disinfo.
    We're unlikely ever to know. Maybe it really was the plan for Dune 7.
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    Re: Norman Spinrad Interview

    Postby SandChigger » 28 Jun 2011 05:49

    Ah, Lolronica... That reminds me! :D
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    Re: Norman Spinrad Interview

    Postby Serkanner » 28 Jun 2011 08:16

    SandChigger wrote:Ah, Lolronica... That reminds me! :D


    ... you still owe me contribution number 5. :evil:
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    Re: Norman Spinrad Interview

    Postby SandChigger » 29 Jun 2011 10:07

    I owe you NOTHING! NOTHING you hear! AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! :)
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    Re: Norman Spinrad Interview

    Postby valys » 21 Jul 2011 12:23

    A couple of years late, but thanks SandRider for taking the time to interview mr. Spinrad. And the introduction he wrote for Dune ain't too shabby either :)
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