leagued wrote:Does anyone have any thoughts about Leto II being mistaken about the necessity of re-starting the sandworm cycle?
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leagued wrote:Does anyone have any thoughts about Leto II being mistaken about the necessity of re-starting the sandworm cycle?
inhuien wrote:He clearly passes the mantle of stewardship of the Old Empire on to the Bene Gesserit...
JustSomeGuy wrote:I think he restarted it because he got fucked up and fell into that river. I agree (for the most part) with what leagued/Freakzilla had to say.
Can't say I agree with this:inhuien wrote:He clearly passes the mantle of stewardship of the Old Empire on to the Bene Gesserit...
Didn't Leto contemplate exterminating the Bene Gesserit? I'm pretty sure that he didn't pass "the mantle of stewardship" to anyone.
Well, I just felt like posting.
leagued wrote:The Ozymandias flew right over my head I'm afraid.
Naïve mind wrote:leagued wrote:The Ozymandias flew right over my head I'm afraid.
I meant to say that Leto II was, despite his many other qualities, not a very modest person. He may have thought of the spice cycle as a sort of ... personal monument.
inhuien wrote:Why does he see the GP fail if he dies away from water?
"I thought you deserved an explanation of the Mother Superior's design. It was aimed at the destruction of Rakis, you see. What she really wanted was the elimination of almost all of the worms."
"Great Gods below! Why?"
"They were an oracular force holding us in bondage. Those pearls of the Tyrant's awareness magnified that hold. He didn't predict events, he created them."
Duncan pointed toward the rear of the ship. "But what about..."
"That one? It's just one now. By the time it reaches sufficient numbers to be an influence once more, humankind will have gone its own way beyond him. We'll be too numerous by then, doing too many different things on our own. No single force will rule all of our futures completely, never again."
leagued wrote:A conversation b/w Odrade and Duncan at the end of Heretics:"I thought you deserved an explanation of the Mother Superior's design. It was aimed at the destruction of Rakis, you see. What she really wanted was the elimination of almost all of the worms."
"Great Gods below! Why?"
"They were an oracular force holding us in bondage. Those pearls of the Tyrant's awareness magnified that hold. He didn't predict events, he created them."
Duncan pointed toward the rear of the ship. "But what about..."
"That one? It's just one now. By the time it reaches sufficient numbers to be an influence once more, humankind will have gone its own way beyond him. We'll be too numerous by then, doing too many different things on our own. No single force will rule all of our futures completely, never again."
Is this the explanation? Did the worms continue to hold onto mankind, maintaining the Golden Path long after Leto's death; ensuring that the future where the Scattering succeeded?
leagued wrote:I haven't gotten to my CH:D reread yet, but I think they imply that the multi-universe concept is a theory, right? No is really sure if the no-ship moves to a new universe or stays in teh same one, right?
Freakzilla wrote:He did say that he would be ressurected, maybe the spice would be required for that.
leagued wrote:A conversation b/w Odrade and Duncan at the end of Heretics:"I thought you deserved an explanation of the Mother Superior's design. It was aimed at the destruction of Rakis, you see. What she really wanted was the elimination of almost all of the worms."
"Great Gods below! Why?"
"They were an oracular force holding us in bondage. Those pearls of the Tyrant's awareness magnified that hold. He didn't predict events, he created them."
Duncan pointed toward the rear of the ship. "But what about..."
"That one? It's just one now. By the time it reaches sufficient numbers to be an influence once more, humankind will have gone its own way beyond him. We'll be too numerous by then, doing too many different things on our own. No single force will rule all of our futures completely, never again."
Is this the explanation? Did the worms continue to hold onto mankind, maintaining the Golden Path long after Leto's death; ensuring that the future where the Scattering succeeded?