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MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 11 Nov 2011 15:13
by Demerzel
:O Just a ridiculous thought, cause he did seem mentally superior to most.

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 11 Nov 2011 15:27
by Freakzilla
Malky was a prototype weapon against the God Emperor.

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 11 Nov 2011 15:47
by Demerzel
Yeah I know delete this post it makes no sense D:

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 11 Nov 2011 15:53
by Freakzilla
Hmm... I try not to delete topics, but OK. I'll leave it up for a little while and see if anyone has any worthwhile comments.

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 19 Nov 2011 17:29
by MrFlibble
I only remember a Tleilaxu KH being mentioned in Messiah, but what about the Ixian one? :think:

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 19 Nov 2011 17:37
by Serkanner
MrFlibble wrote:I only remember a Tleilaxu KH being mentioned in Messiah, but what about the Ixian one? :think:


There is no Ixian one.

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 20 Nov 2011 09:33
by SandChigger
Ouch. ;)

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 20 Nov 2011 11:47
by lotek
it's not every character that's a bit odd that is a potential KH.
Don't do the kja dance by labelling everything as super dooper ;)

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 21 Nov 2011 00:26
by Freakzilla
I am the Ixian KH.

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 02 Jun 2012 22:25
by gurensan
I am super dooper.

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 03 Jun 2012 00:54
by Ampoliros
I'm the Murican KH.

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 03 Jun 2012 03:45
by Lundse
KJA is the literary Kwisatz Haderach!

According to his twitter feeds, the amount of working, hiking and signing being done - he is clearly in more places at once.
When it comes to literary production, he is definitely a shortening of the way.
His coming shook up an entire universe, fatally locking it into one stagnant path.
He is just sooper-dooper...

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 03 Jun 2012 04:49
by D Pope
Lundse wrote:KJA is the literary Kwisatz Haderach!

According to his twitter feeds, the amount of working, hiking and signing being done - he is clearly in more places at once.
When it comes to literary production, he is definitely a shortening of the way.
His coming shook up an entire universe, fatally locking it into one stagnant path.
He is just sooper-dooper...

:lol: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 12 Dec 2014 13:20
by Smiley
lotek wrote:it's not every character that's a bit odd that is a potential KH.
Don't do the kja dance by labelling everything as super dooper ;)


The BG seemed to take that approach. Anyone with weird abilities were likely to be killed for safety's sake in the last two books.
I find it fascinating that some of Franks most interesting characters are the ones we know the least about.

(no malky not a KH. Just a horrible person and potential weapon to take down a god)

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 24 Jan 2018 23:17
by distrans
the tleilaxu and the ixians were neck and neck there for several thousand years...

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 25 Jan 2018 10:54
by georgiedenbro
Hah, I forgot about this thread. Isn't it the case, though, that by the time of GeoD the Ixians had been infiltrated by the BT? If so, I don't know that a distinction has to be made between an Ixian KH and a BT one. If the BT had the ability to create fascinating beings, why couldn't they have combined this with the Ixian technology to conceal such a person? That's a side note, mind you, since I recall no textual reason to believe Malky (or Hwi) has the abilities of a KH. But putting aside the KH question, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that whatever Malky was, he was a BT creation. This kind of human-as-weapon would be in keeping with BT methods, recalling Bijaz and Duncan from Messiah.

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 25 Jan 2018 13:42
by Freakzilla
georgiedenbro wrote:...since I recall no textual reason to believe Malky (or Hwi) has the abilities of a KH.


There isn't. I've never understood why people try to see a KH in every shadow. Malky's only significance is that he was a favored companion of Leto which gave them the idea to make Hwi, his opposite clone, to woo him.

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 26 Jan 2018 12:10
by georgiedenbro
Freakzilla wrote:Malky's only significance is that he was a favored companion of Leto which gave them the idea to make Hwi, his opposite clone, to woo him.


I do sometimes wonder, though, whether Malky was engineered in some way to be suitable for Leto, or whether it was a coincidence and he just really liked the guy. When I think about the book it seems to me that Malky may have shared some characteristics that Leto had; cunning, devious and of the disposition to make it look like he was doing something while really doing something else, and with a 'touch of the worm' about him - that characteristic of ferocity or animal nature that goes beyond rationality and it more like the blood calling to action. Maybe I could call it the killer instinct, or a touch of cruelty. Although Malky is in some sense portrayed as being something of a scoundrel, I think the questionable qualities in him may be similar qualities that Leto recognizes in himself, minus of course the noble purpose. Which I guess would make Hwi, as his opposite, all noble purpose and no killer instinct; completely without guile, and embodying Leto's other side, so that between them Malky and Hwi comprise Leto's main attributes.

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 27 Jan 2018 10:07
by Freakzilla
georgiedenbro wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:Malky's only significance is that he was a favored companion of Leto which gave them the idea to make Hwi, his opposite clone, to woo him.


I do sometimes wonder, though, whether Malky was engineered in some way to be suitable for Leto, or whether it was a coincidence and he just really liked the guy. When I think about the book it seems to me that Malky may have shared some characteristics that Leto had; cunning, devious and of the disposition to make it look like he was doing something while really doing something else, and with a 'touch of the worm' about him - that characteristic of ferocity or animal nature that goes beyond rationality and it more like the blood calling to action. Maybe I could call it the killer instinct, or a touch of cruelty. Although Malky is in some sense portrayed as being something of a scoundrel, I think the questionable qualities in him may be similar qualities that Leto recognizes in himself, minus of course the noble purpose. Which I guess would make Hwi, as his opposite, all noble purpose and no killer instinct; completely without guile, and embodying Leto's other side, so that between them Malky and Hwi comprise Leto's main attributes.


I don't think Malky was engineered for Leto's court, at least I don't recall and evidence of that in the text, but I'm sure he was selected, if not bred, for the role.

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 18 Feb 2018 12:18
by Ampoliros
iirc Hwi mentions something about being the created as the complete opposite of Malky. I'm not sure where but I got the impression that Malky was at the very least molded to be a foil to Leto and based off Leto's reaction, Hwi was created.

Guess it's time to read GEoD again.

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 20 Feb 2018 07:45
by Freakzilla
Ampoliros wrote:iirc Hwi mentions something about being the created as the complete opposite of Malky. I'm not sure where but I got the impression that Malky was at the very least molded to be a foil to Leto and based off Leto's reaction, Hwi was created.

Guess it's time to read GEoD again.


That's exactly what Leto noted about her to Moneo.

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 20 Feb 2018 19:24
by distrans
they invested the lions share of their civilization to create hwi

it would be interesting to discover what reactions to malky by the god emperor made this seem like a reasonable investment...

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 23 Feb 2018 14:19
by georgiedenbro
distrans wrote:they invested the lions share of their civilization to create hwi


How do you know that?

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 23 Feb 2018 18:51
by distrans
I recall a line where leto mentions how much it cost him to build a no-room and that it must of bankrupted them to build the place where she was born and grew up

Re: MALKY WAS THE IXIAN KWISATZ HADERACH!

Posted: 26 Feb 2018 10:17
by Omphalos
that sounds more like something Bobo and Teh Hack would have said.