DUNE DISCUSSION FORUM FOR ORTHODOX HERBERTARIANS
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It was GEoD. They built it... to see if they could. Because with the extreme scarcity of the spice Guild shipping was so expensive that they needed to find a way to replace Guild Navigators.A Thing of Eternity wrote:I feel really rusty on this, but wasn't it mentioned in CoD? Or maybe I'm just loosing it and it wasn't mentioned until GEoD...
Interesting point about the true beginning. Safe to say thenby HoD navigators were fairly redundant then?Freakzilla wrote:It was late in Leto's reign and yes, it was invented in the no-chamber where Hwi was born.
When RM Anteac lead the Fish Speaker attack on IX, the people and technology were scattered and this was the true begining of The Scattering.
No, flipping the switch in the Hieghliner cockpit was not all Guild Navigators were good for. The SG never fully trusted the INM either, even in ships with the INM they still had a navigator present. The Guild practiced business as usually, but a lot of their covert sales were lost to the no-ship.SwordMaster wrote:Interesting point about the true beginning. Safe to say thenby HoD navigators were fairly redundant then?Freakzilla wrote:It was late in Leto's reign and yes, it was invented in the no-chamber where Hwi was born.
When RM Anteac lead the Fish Speaker attack on IX, the people and technology were scattered and this was the true begining of The Scattering.
I was thinking with the Siona gene spread their "other" powers were less valuble anc clearly those from the scattering did not need Navigators anymore. I think the SG lost its hold on space travel after this invention. There is little mention of them in CHoD that I can recall... What else were they useful for?Freakzilla wrote:No, flipping the switch in the Hieghliner cockpit was not all Guild Navigators were good for. The SG never fully trusted the INM either, even in ships with the INM they still had a navigator present. The Guild practiced business as usually, but a lot of their covert sales were lost to the no-ship.SwordMaster wrote:Interesting point about the true beginning. Safe to say thenby HoD navigators were fairly redundant then?Freakzilla wrote:It was late in Leto's reign and yes, it was invented in the no-chamber where Hwi was born.
When RM Anteac lead the Fish Speaker attack on IX, the people and technology were scattered and this was the true begining of The Scattering.
In the post-Tyrant Old Empire, if you wanted garanteed safe passage your only choice was the SG. If you had dirty work to do, no-ship.
Searching for Duncan Idaho, for one. Providing neutral meeting places (Waff and the Honored Matres), and of course secure banking, communications and shipping.SwordMaster wrote:I was thinking with the Siona gene spread their "other" powers were less valuble anc clearly those from the scattering did not need Navigators anymore. I think the SG lost its hold on space travel after this invention. There is little mention of them in CHoD that I can recall... What else were they useful for?Freakzilla wrote:No, flipping the switch in the Hieghliner cockpit was not all Guild Navigators were good for. The SG never fully trusted the INM either, even in ships with the INM they still had a navigator present. The Guild practiced business as usually, but a lot of their covert sales were lost to the no-ship.SwordMaster wrote:Interesting point about the true beginning. Safe to say thenby HoD navigators were fairly redundant then?Freakzilla wrote:It was late in Leto's reign and yes, it was invented in the no-chamber where Hwi was born.
When RM Anteac lead the Fish Speaker attack on IX, the people and technology were scattered and this was the true begining of The Scattering.
In the post-Tyrant Old Empire, if you wanted garanteed safe passage your only choice was the SG. If you had dirty work to do, no-ship.
But the HM used no-ships? Safe to say most of the people of the scattering were transport based in no-ships?Freakzilla wrote:Searching for Duncan Idaho, for one. Providing neutral meeting places (Waff and the Honored Matres), and of course secure banking, communications and shipping.SwordMaster wrote:I was thinking with the Siona gene spread their "other" powers were less valuble anc clearly those from the scattering did not need Navigators anymore. I think the SG lost its hold on space travel after this invention. There is little mention of them in CHoD that I can recall... What else were they useful for?Freakzilla wrote:No, flipping the switch in the Hieghliner cockpit was not all Guild Navigators were good for. The SG never fully trusted the INM either, even in ships with the INM they still had a navigator present. The Guild practiced business as usually, but a lot of their covert sales were lost to the no-ship.SwordMaster wrote:Interesting point about the true beginning. Safe to say thenby HoD navigators were fairly redundant then?Freakzilla wrote:It was late in Leto's reign and yes, it was invented in the no-chamber where Hwi was born.
When RM Anteac lead the Fish Speaker attack on IX, the people and technology were scattered and this was the true begining of The Scattering.
In the post-Tyrant Old Empire, if you wanted garanteed safe passage your only choice was the SG. If you had dirty work to do, no-ship.
They are still a powerfull faction in the Old Empire, they just lost their monopoly. The SG remains the "safe" transportation.
I was talking about the "Old Empire", the core from which the scattering spread, where all the books are set.SwordMaster wrote:But the HM used no-ships? Safe to say most of the people of the scattering were transport based in no-ships?Freakzilla wrote:Searching for Duncan Idaho, for one. Providing neutral meeting places (Waff and the Honored Matres), and of course secure banking, communications and shipping.SwordMaster wrote:I was thinking with the Siona gene spread their "other" powers were less valuble anc clearly those from the scattering did not need Navigators anymore. I think the SG lost its hold on space travel after this invention. There is little mention of them in CHoD that I can recall... What else were they useful for?Freakzilla wrote:No, flipping the switch in the Hieghliner cockpit was not all Guild Navigators were good for. The SG never fully trusted the INM either, even in ships with the INM they still had a navigator present. The Guild practiced business as usually, but a lot of their covert sales were lost to the no-ship.SwordMaster wrote:Interesting point about the true beginning. Safe to say thenby HoD navigators were fairly redundant then?Freakzilla wrote:It was late in Leto's reign and yes, it was invented in the no-chamber where Hwi was born.
When RM Anteac lead the Fish Speaker attack on IX, the people and technology were scattered and this was the true begining of The Scattering.
In the post-Tyrant Old Empire, if you wanted garanteed safe passage your only choice was the SG. If you had dirty work to do, no-ship.
They are still a powerfull faction in the Old Empire, they just lost their monopoly. The SG remains the "safe" transportation.
I don't have anything to add to this discussion,Freakzilla wrote:I was talking about the "Old Empire", the core from which the scattering spread, where all the books are set.SwordMaster wrote:But the HM used no-ships? Safe to say most of the people of the scattering were transport based in no-ships?Freakzilla wrote:Searching for Duncan Idaho, for one. Providing neutral meeting places (Waff and the Honored Matres), and of course secure banking, communications and shipping.SwordMaster wrote:I was thinking with the Siona gene spread their "other" powers were less valuble anc clearly those from the scattering did not need Navigators anymore. I think the SG lost its hold on space travel after this invention. There is little mention of them in CHoD that I can recall... What else were they useful for?Freakzilla wrote:No, flipping the switch in the Hieghliner cockpit was not all Guild Navigators were good for. The SG never fully trusted the INM either, even in ships with the INM they still had a navigator present. The Guild practiced business as usually, but a lot of their covert sales were lost to the no-ship.SwordMaster wrote:Interesting point about the true beginning. Safe to say thenby HoD navigators were fairly redundant then?Freakzilla wrote:It was late in Leto's reign and yes, it was invented in the no-chamber where Hwi was born.
When RM Anteac lead the Fish Speaker attack on IX, the people and technology were scattered and this was the true begining of The Scattering.
In the post-Tyrant Old Empire, if you wanted garanteed safe passage your only choice was the SG. If you had dirty work to do, no-ship.
They are still a powerfull faction in the Old Empire, they just lost their monopoly. The SG remains the "safe" transportation.
SandRider wrote:I don't have anything to add to this discussion,Freakzilla wrote:I was talking about the "Old Empire", the core from which the scattering spread, where all the books are set.SwordMaster wrote:But the HM used no-ships? Safe to say most of the people of the scattering were transport based in no-ships?Freakzilla wrote:Searching for Duncan Idaho, for one. Providing neutral meeting places (Waff and the Honored Matres), and of course secure banking, communications and shipping.SwordMaster wrote:I was thinking with the Siona gene spread their "other" powers were less valuble anc clearly those from the scattering did not need Navigators anymore. I think the SG lost its hold on space travel after this invention. There is little mention of them in CHoD that I can recall... What else were they useful for?Freakzilla wrote:No, flipping the switch in the Hieghliner cockpit was not all Guild Navigators were good for. The SG never fully trusted the INM either, even in ships with the INM they still had a navigator present. The Guild practiced business as usually, but a lot of their covert sales were lost to the no-ship.SwordMaster wrote:Interesting point about the true beginning. Safe to say thenby HoD navigators were fairly redundant then?Freakzilla wrote:It was late in Leto's reign and yes, it was invented in the no-chamber where Hwi was born.
When RM Anteac lead the Fish Speaker attack on IX, the people and technology were scattered and this was the true begining of The Scattering.
In the post-Tyrant Old Empire, if you wanted garanteed safe passage your only choice was the SG. If you had dirty work to do, no-ship.
They are still a powerfull faction in the Old Empire, they just lost their monopoly. The SG remains the "safe" transportation.
I just wanted to contribute to the raising of another quote-ziggurat ...
Ok. The HM were fully No-Ship based though correct?Freakzilla wrote:I was talking about the "Old Empire", the core from which the scattering spread, where all the books are set.SwordMaster wrote:But the HM used no-ships? Safe to say most of the people of the scattering were transport based in no-ships?Freakzilla wrote:Searching for Duncan Idaho, for one. Providing neutral meeting places (Waff and the Honored Matres), and of course secure banking, communications and shipping.SwordMaster wrote:I was thinking with the Siona gene spread their "other" powers were less valuble anc clearly those from the scattering did not need Navigators anymore. I think the SG lost its hold on space travel after this invention. There is little mention of them in CHoD that I can recall... What else were they useful for?Freakzilla wrote:No, flipping the switch in the Hieghliner cockpit was not all Guild Navigators were good for. The SG never fully trusted the INM either, even in ships with the INM they still had a navigator present. The Guild practiced business as usually, but a lot of their covert sales were lost to the no-ship.SwordMaster wrote:Interesting point about the true beginning. Safe to say thenby HoD navigators were fairly redundant then?Freakzilla wrote:It was late in Leto's reign and yes, it was invented in the no-chamber where Hwi was born.
When RM Anteac lead the Fish Speaker attack on IX, the people and technology were scattered and this was the true begining of The Scattering.
In the post-Tyrant Old Empire, if you wanted garanteed safe passage your only choice was the SG. If you had dirty work to do, no-ship.
They are still a powerfull faction in the Old Empire, they just lost their monopoly. The SG remains the "safe" transportation.
Correct. The Guild did not expand with The Scattering AFAIK.SwordMaster wrote:Ok. The HM were fully No-Ship based though correct?Freakzilla wrote:I was talking about the "Old Empire", the core from which the scattering spread, where all the books are set.SwordMaster wrote:But the HM used no-ships? Safe to say most of the people of the scattering were transport based in no-ships?Freakzilla wrote:Searching for Duncan Idaho, for one. Providing neutral meeting places (Waff and the Honored Matres), and of course secure banking, communications and shipping.SwordMaster wrote:I was thinking with the Siona gene spread their "other" powers were less valuble anc clearly those from the scattering did not need Navigators anymore. I think the SG lost its hold on space travel after this invention. There is little mention of them in CHoD that I can recall... What else were they useful for?Freakzilla wrote:No, flipping the switch in the Hieghliner cockpit was not all Guild Navigators were good for. The SG never fully trusted the INM either, even in ships with the INM they still had a navigator present. The Guild practiced business as usually, but a lot of their covert sales were lost to the no-ship.SwordMaster wrote:Interesting point about the true beginning. Safe to say thenby HoD navigators were fairly redundant then?Freakzilla wrote:It was late in Leto's reign and yes, it was invented in the no-chamber where Hwi was born.
When RM Anteac lead the Fish Speaker attack on IX, the people and technology were scattered and this was the true begining of The Scattering.
In the post-Tyrant Old Empire, if you wanted garanteed safe passage your only choice was the SG. If you had dirty work to do, no-ship.
They are still a powerfull faction in the Old Empire, they just lost their monopoly. The SG remains the "safe" transportation.
True. It's one initial leg of the Golden Path.semuta wrote:A part of LetoII's legacy was to create people invisible to prescience.
True. And they were prescient after him as well.Before Paul's time, the Navigators were prescient.
Their essentially linear abilities were always more concentrated on navigation. And it took time for the Siona Gene to be transmitted through the population.After the Tyrant their abilities are concentrated more upon fold~space than on social observation, primarily because they could not see most people.
Which is why the BG kept him on the no-ship, true.They could still see Idaho ghola though which is why he vanishes into the No~Ship on Chapterhouse.
Mmm ... refresh my memory on this one?Don't forget that the Guild also 'accidentally' (?) crash a Highliner into Chapterhouse.
Isn't that from KJA's books? You sure about Chapterhouse?Quote:
Don't forget that the Guild also 'accidentally' (?) crash a Highliner into Chapterhouse.
Mmm ... refresh my memory on this one?
NEVER did a heighliner crash in one of FH's books.Rakis wrote:Isn't that from KJA's books? You sure about Chapterhouse?Quote:
Don't forget that the Guild also 'accidentally' (?) crash a Highliner into Chapterhouse.
Mmm ... refresh my memory on this one?
I thought soFreakzilla wrote:NEVER did a heighliner crash in one of FH's books.Rakis wrote:Isn't that from KJA's books? You sure about Chapterhouse?Quote:
Don't forget that the Guild also 'accidentally' (?) crash a Highliner into Chapterhouse.
Mmm ... refresh my memory on this one?
It's hard to crash if you always remain beyond the effective gravity well of a planet.Freakzilla wrote:I think Wallach IX was destroyed by Honord Matres in either HoD or CH:D. Either Tarazza or Odrade lists the BG planets they've lost...
The Guild's safety record was one of it's selling points, heighliners didn't crash.