Who did they build the nav machine for

[Freakzilla]

We have color coded composites of both the UK and US editions of HoD and CH:D.

Never happened.

[Serkanner]

Blah blah blah

Wrong! Try it again.

[SandChigger]

Okay now I am wondering if there is a difference in the american and british releases of Dune,...

Yes, there are differences between the US & UK editions of some of the books. There are threads on this board about it. I would have thought you would have been aware of them, valued member, Itchwad Bedwhiner, and all that.

because I have not read the prequels and I recall a major plot twist is the guild crashing a highliner into chapterhouse 'by accident'. I dont have my copy of the books with me right now, I will pick them up when I next go into town and find it, this will be within a week.

Never happened, cupcake. Except in the prequels. Maybe one of your spirit guides has been reading them into your ear while you are away at night on the astral plane?

I remembered that the Navigators can also create a No-field with their minds, ...

That's a rather sloppy and potentially misleading way to put that.

this appears in the earlier books to cloak certain clandestine meetings such as Shaddam & the Ixians way back ("many machines on Ix.") They had been plotting this for a long, long time even before Letos birth. The Atreides coup merely forestalled the inevitable but was a useful political tool to them regarding spice & relations with CHOAM.

"Many machines on Ix"? What's that a quote from? (Right, no books at the moment. ) And what meetings between Shaddam and the Ixians do you mean?

Are you COMPLETELY SURE you haven't read the prequels?

As for the remainder... Get your books and reread them.

[Hunchback Jack]

Dude, you're not talking about the original Dune books. Either you've had insights into KJA's mind via the astral plane, or you've read the prequels and forgotten, or you're confusing Dune with some other series.

HBJ

[lotek]

"many machines on Ix" is a quote from the Lynch movie, when the tanked Navigator reprimands the Emperor and orders him to get rid of Paul

[SandChigger]

"many machines on Ix" is a quote from the Lynch movie, when the tanked Navigator reprimands the Emperor and orders him to get rid of Paul

Whoa ... I'm impressed.

I wonder if he knows that the Lynch movie isn't canon....

[semuta]

"many machines on Ix" is a quote from the Lynch movie, when the tanked Navigator reprimands the Emperor and orders him to get rid of Paul

Whoa ... I'm impressed.

I wonder if he knows that the Lynch movie isn't canon....

bet ya' didn't get the in-joke about pugs either; pugs = sligs

[SandChigger]

bet ya' didn't get the in-joke about pugs either; pugs = sligs

Huh?

I don't suppose you'd be willing to explain HOW THAT WORKS, would you, fruitcake?

I mean, I don't recall them appearing on a table at any scene, and someone exclaiming, "Oh my, Lady Jessica! This pug meat is DELISH! To DIE for, raaaally!"

Bet you forgot that sligs aren't mentioned until Heretics, didn't you?

[SandRider]

[SandChigger]

This is The Cisco.
Why does The Cisco weep?
We are the Wormhole Aliens
And we desire to know.

[Onasander]

I can't recall in my memory the BG lead attack on IX, perhaps it will pop in soon- but unless the attack involved a series of 'factory ships' to flee in every direction, or the warehouse forum on IX with thousands of these sitting some where catching wind- or having orders from a long dead Leto to get the fuck out of there with the stock- I don't think you can say this would be the beginning of the Scattering..... no more than the 50s can be said to be the true beginnings of the great nuclear war in our future everyone is a little nervous about in science fiction, philosophy, and international policy wise- it takes tome to learn how to build those things, reverse engineering them and making sure you know how they work so you can repair them once you make that jump into the unknown.... I am sure many made the jump half assed- but I don't think the Fish Speakers navy would, no matter how desperate.... or a planetary leader with a high degree of experience and autonomy aiming at self sufficiency and seedy side operation operations for backup- these are the types that are going to be the main source of any meaningful scattering- the technically competent, socially organized, and MAJOR property owners who have the means and knowledge of settling a new society somewhere completely cutoff.

Someone mentioned IX would of been able to disregard Leto soon- this is absolutely NOT the case. Yes- it would of loosen Leto's absolute grip on power- but not considerably. Leto still possessed the largest, most professional and experienced fighting force known in the universe, and occupied most inhabited planet's surface. He furthermore controlled the spaceing guild's spice, and could turn the spice faucets on HIGH whenever he wanted by exploiting his stockpile, and simple assraped IX and anyone else who dared to seriously fuck with him. Yes, the No-Ships hid things from his sight- but Leto wasn't a dumbass- he's also has Paul's and countless other ancestor's Mentat memories, as well as Duncan (as many Duncans as he wanted to boot at that, each in charge of a guild ship if he wanted).

The basic idea is this- Imagine germany during WW2 conquers EVERYTHING, all the land on the planet- save South Georgia island, and Greenland, and the Nazis controlled the fuel for every major ship out on the ocean, and had a monopoly on all trade and most resources- save for bits and wiffs dug on said two islands, or smuggled in not too secretly (every smuggling ship is pretty much gonna be seen or found out, either by observation or paperwork). South Goergia (IX) reinvents the sail, as well as Stealth Design and Camouflage..... and is permitted to continue to develop them, and even sell them. The crucial question arises- outside of criminal cells and druglords, or whatever other Tongish Mafia fief you can think of- who will actually buy these things? Who wants to attract that kind of attention to themselves on the open market? Fishspeakers- even if told to allow these sales, are going to note, track, and follow up these sales by default.... they are a paranoid military force, it's their instinct to do so. Your not going to gather a bunch of these pussy ass craft, and pull off the Dutch success against the Spanish Armada overnight. Life is going to continue on pretty much the same- Leto is also a absolute dictator- with all the police and spy powers involved in such a dictatorship- and can still see almost everything in a future............... he's one guy no one is going to seriously expect to take down anytime soon, unless you have a no-ship full of nukes..... and even then, I have my doubts.

That's the other thing- was anyone buying NO-BATTLESHIPS? I've never heard of such a thing.

Also- pretty certain (memory might be wrong if it's a prequel memory) but Leto knew about this who plot openly with Ix- Ix wasn't hiding the fact they were trying to develop these artificial navigators. If he was speaking English instead of Gallach, I am sure the words out of his mouth would of been a 'Meh' upon hearing of it. He wasn't going to spearhead this one encouragement wise, or even recommending the idea- but wasn't keen on discouraging it either, knowing damn well it would catch on in the end- but a end well beyond his end and personal concern.