OSC, Ender In Exile??? Anyone heard about this?

trang · Post by **trang** » 22 Sep 2008 03:27

I was on Amazon Smashing and grabing in the POD reviews and discussions and saw this at the bottom of my reccomended list???

Orson Scott Card, Ender in Exile, the Direct Sequel to ENDER's Game?

I have three questions:

1. WTF!!!!
2. Is this a KJAars production in disguise???
3. WHY???

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/076530 ... d_i=507846

Trang

Serkanner · Post by **Serkanner** » 22 Sep 2008 05:04

More info:

Orson Scott Card returns to his best-selling series with a new Ender novel.

At the close of Ender's Game, Andrew Wiggin - called Ender by everyone - is told that he can no longer live on Earth, and he realizes that this is the truth. He has become far more than just a boy who won a game: he is the Savior of Earth, a hero, a military genius whose allegiance is sought by every nation of the newly shattered Earth Hegemony. He is offered the choice of living in isolation on Eros, at one of the Hegemony's training facilities, but instead the twelve-year-old chooses to leave his home world and begin the long relativistic journey out to the colonies. With him went his sister Valentine, and the core of the artificial intelligence that would become Jane.

The story of those years has never been told. until now.

I loved Ender's game and Speaker of the dead but couldn't finish Xenocide and therefore didn't bother reading the others. I think I will skip this one too.

Post by **Omphalos** » 22 Sep 2008 11:35

Card has been jumping around, filling in the gaps for years with this series. He has already done this era once with a novella about Jane. I will read this one.

Drunken Idaho · Post by **Drunken Idaho** » 22 Sep 2008 15:24

Meh...

I can't say I cared for Ender's Game...

Sole Man · Post by **Sole Man** » 22 Sep 2008 17:33

I loved ENDER'S GAME (I rank it second greatest Sci-fi novel ever written) I didn't read any of the sequels though.

So...does this actually take place during the first book, or during the time between GAME and SPEAKER?

Post by **Omphalos** » 22 Sep 2008 17:43

Sole Man wrote:I loved ENDER'S GAME (I rank it second greatest Sci-fi novel ever written) I didn't read any of the sequels though.

So...does this actually take place during the first book, or during the time between GAME and SPEAKER?

sounds like it takes place right after he and valentine leave earth on the ship.

trang · Post by **trang** » 22 Sep 2008 21:12

I originally ran across Enders game when I was a Corporal in the Marine Corps when I was looking over the reading lists for each rank. Enders game was on the Colonol's list and showed it was a SCi-Fi title, so I was immediatly intrigued.

It was roughly 1988 and I found the book a stand out from anything I had read in the sci-fi genre. I followed the series as thru to Xenocide, but got lost in something else.

I revisit the three books periodically but never felt it needed any addition.

I was shocked when I saw the listing for the next book, might turn out to be ok, Not sure. I havent really gone deeper into anything else the OSC has written. He is above par as a writer for sure, but seems so spread hisself a bit thin. I understand he is very prolific, his website is pretty choke full of stuff he writes about, but again never went much deeper with him as author.

At least its the original author expanding the series and not hacks living off its success.

I guess have to wait and see.

Be well,
trang

Serkanner · Post by **Serkanner** » 23 Sep 2008 08:46

Baraka Bryan wrote:
if you like OSC, read his homecoming series. It's an incredible universe 40M years in the future. I can't believe it's not more popular

I like the Homecoming series as well. I read all of them front to back within a few weeks a couple of years ago. Should give them a second run after I have finished my collection of Peter F. Hamilton ...

TheDukester · Post by **TheDukester** » 23 Sep 2008 13:07

The Ender series started moo-ing after the first book. But at least it's the original author who is milking it, not his semi-literate offspring and some hack mercenary.

Personally, I've chosen to boycott Card for many years now. His politics and his beliefs are just a bit too ... uh, strong ... for me. I can't help thinking that he would have been right at home in Munich, circa 1933.

I will admit that I thought the first book was pretty damn strong. But I seem to have blocked most of it out, probably due to my personal distaste for the author. YMMV, and probably does.

Sole Man · Post by **Sole Man** » 23 Sep 2008 15:44

Baraka Bryan wrote: sole, you gotta read speaker for the dead. I find it even better than ender's game. It's much more sci-fi.

Son, the only thing I have to do is stay red and die.

- Mat Hullam as Sarge, Red vs. Blue.

SandChigger · Post by **SandChigger** » 23 Sep 2008 17:08

TheDukester wrote:Personally, I've chosen to boycott Card for many years now. His politics and his beliefs are just a bit too ... uh, strong ... for me. I can't help thinking that he would have been right at home in Munich, circa 1933.

I will admit that I thought the first book was pretty damn strong. But I seem to have blocked most of it out, probably due to my personal distaste for the author. YMMV, and probably does.

Wow...nice to hear someone else say that for a change.

I read him when he was starting out (I assume), back when he was publishing short stories in Omni (OK, who remembers Omni magazine?

)

I kinda lost track of him for a few years and then never picked him up again. By the time I heard of the Ender series, I was also hearing about the...um...Mormon Fascism?

I liked him once. I'm not interested now.

Post by **Omphalos** » 23 Sep 2008 18:00

SandChigger wrote:I read him when he was starting out (I assume), back when he was publishing short stories in Omni (OK, who remembers Omni magazine? )

Bob Guccione. Excellent SF in that magazine.

I actually kind of like Card's out there SF, like The Folk of the Fringe. There is one other post-apocalyptic Mormorn book too, and I liked that one as well.

But if you are talking about his opinions, I could not care less. He's entitled to his opinion, just as I am to mine. I can refute him anytime I like, but I wont stop reading his books for that. Hell, I havent even stopped reading KJA's books, and he's a lyiing sack of shit. Which is worse?

SandChigger · Post by **SandChigger** » 23 Sep 2008 19:18

Omphalos wrote:Which is worse?

Card.

At least KJA doesn't appear to have any religious beliefs. ($cientology isn't a religion and doesn't count. Just like Mormonism isn't Christian.) Other than belief in himself, I mean.

Post by **Omphalos** » 23 Sep 2008 19:39

SandChigger wrote:
Omphalos wrote:Which is worse?
Card.

At least KJA doesn't appear to have any religious beliefs. ($cientology isn't a religion and doesn't count. Just like Mormonism isn't Christian.) Other than belief in himself, I mean.

I thought you Jews were accommodating of other religions?

TheDukester · Post by **TheDukester** » 23 Sep 2008 21:06

SandChigger wrote:(OK, who remembers Omni magazine? )

Awww, hells yeah!

Heard of it? I have a pretty frickin' nice collection!

SandChigger · Post by **SandChigger** » 24 Sep 2008 07:26

Omphalos wrote:I thought you Jews were accommodating of other religions?

Ah, but I am a Jewish Saint.

We POOP on everyone.

Post by **Omphalos** » 24 Sep 2008 11:32

SandChigger wrote:
Omphalos wrote:I thought you Jews were accommodating of other religions?
Ah, but I am a Jewish Saint.

We POOP on everyone.

so do you think that Card is worse than KJA because he is a religioius nutter? Really? What do you think of the Ender books? Personally I love them, and can see past the Mormon conservative crap he spews elsewhere, because he puts something of quality into the world. KJA has yet to do that. He's more concerned with page count and meeting deadlines than he is with writing something well. That to me is the greater crime. After all, its the one that can easily be corrected. Card, you would need electroshock therapy.

TheDukester · Post by **TheDukester** » 24 Sep 2008 11:43

There's a number of ways to look at this:

Better writer: Card, clearly. Not even close. Even those of us that can't stand him will admit that he can put sentences together.

More offensive: Card again. Fucking holier-than-thou nutcase.

Bigger dickhead: KJA. Card is easily ignored (I've been doing it for years), and at least makes his money by writing about his own creations. KJA, on the other hand, has never had an original thought in his life, is a literary hack who leeches onto other creations and drains them of all that is good and decent, and has spent the last 10 years shitting all over a great literary legacy. This makes him an infected asshole.

Odds of either loony-tune receiving a single dime from TheDukester: Nil. I guess this last one is a more personal category ...

Ampoliros · Post by **Ampoliros** » 24 Sep 2008 11:44

maybe its a good thing i stopped after Speaker. I HATE EXTREMISTS!

I'm a fanatic moderate.

SandChigger · Post by **SandChigger** » 24 Sep 2008 11:44

Poop.

A Thing of Eternity · Post by **A Thing of Eternity** » 24 Sep 2008 12:54

Me hating OSC's opinions isn't enough to stop me from reading his books, unless his opinions crop up in them too much and drive me nuts while reading. I think Heinlein is full of shit (though I do agree with certain things he says) but I will still read his books, I always think it's important to get info from both sides of any particular stance.

Ampoliros wrote:maybe its a good thing i stopped after Speaker. I HATE EXTREMISTS!

I'm a fanatic moderate.

That made me laugh, I always call my little brother an extremist Atheist, he's even worse than I am! He is 100% convinced that anyone who believes in a creator is certifiably mentally handicapped/ill. It's pretty funny when he does (rarely) talk about it; normally he doesn't bring it up because he considers discussing it more pointless than discussing whether we're in the matrix.

Post by **Omphalos** » 24 Sep 2008 13:17

I always called my parents "devout athiests."

A Thing of Eternity · Post by **A Thing of Eternity** » 24 Sep 2008 13:30

Omphalos wrote:I always called my parents "devout athiests."

That's a good one too. Mine are pretty solidly agnostic, but I wouldn't call them very "extreme" in theiir agnosticism.

Post by **Freakzilla** » 24 Sep 2008 13:37

Y'all know about the dislexic agnostics don't you?

They're not sure if there is a dog.

Ampoliros · Post by **Ampoliros** » 24 Sep 2008 14:32

Freakzilla wrote:Y'all know about the dislexic agnostics don't you?

They're not sure if there is a dog.

:Razz:

What did the Zen Buddhist say to the Hot Dog Vendor?

"Make me one with everything."

I'm deist, I guess. I believe in God, its Christians I have trouble believing in.
I refuse to believe in a god that creates an infinite universe and one door to paradise. That kind of god is an asshole or an idiot and isn't deserving of worship. People who believe in that kind of god are usually more interested in persecution rather than the actual teachings of Jesus. They are guilty of blasphemy in the form of putting human limits on God. (They are also the same people who would have been yelling Free Barabus to Pilate) I'm pretty sure some poor rice farmer in SE Asia who lives his life as a good person is not going to be denied entry into paradise just because he's never been to church.

Funny thing is, if there is an afterlife, i think i might visit Heaven, but I'm not sure I'd stay there. If it really exists the afterlife has to be one kick-ass place. Limbo, Purgatory, Hell, etc etc etc. Well I might skip Hell....That place has got to be fucked up.

I'll be pretty disappointed if death is the end...wait, no, I guess I won't.

J A C U R U T U

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