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Surprised not been posted about yet. Guess will start it off. 2.5 out of 5 Lasguns.

Hollow, didnt grab me, weak story, competant acting, action was alightly better than average.

Not sure of aim of film, if to reboot series, missed completely, if to pick up where the others left off.. missed. If just names and faces, and place to start in to a story and make two more films.. well I guess.

The Marcus character is pretty much stupid.. and makes no sense to the overall story, at least how I see terminator. This character is so predictable is silly, comical at most points.

John Connor is weaker than I expected..but fair. I like Christian Bale, but he had to much Dark Night accent in his rantings in movie. Oh, and Christian Bale should not fly helocopters... sheesh.

Skynet is way to simple minded and again predictable.Few other things that were just plain silly.

I dont know if this spoiled it for me, but the previews before movie had like six films that had similar looking CGI action (surrogates, gameplayer, etc) might have ruined it for me. With that said, it was slightly above average action, with some sequences that were pretty stupid and didnt make any sense. If you go see it.. pay attention to the escape scene from Connors hideout by marcus and you'll see what I mean.

The homages to the old films thru this film were lame as ever... bah.. could have had fun with it at least.

Overall this is going to be beat on multiple fronts, comparison to cameron films, storyline and continuity to name a few. The canceling of Terminator: The sarah Connor Chronicles doesnt help this at all.

Yes terminatorverse, as a whole, is about as big a mess for continuity as it gets, but it could have been saved, they just blew it out they're ass. Thanks McG.. I would say you can put a fork in terminator...
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trang wrote:I would say you can put a fork in terminator...
I say the same.

that movie sucked worse than STAR TREK.

loved the machines computers... were those KEYBOARDS and MONITORS used for machine on machine interface?
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I can't bring myself to pay for this film. At best, this is a download just for bitching rights, but I'm not sure I want to waste my time. Fuck McGimp and his bullshit.

As for the Terminator franchise, it begins with T1 and ends at T2. Just like the Alien franchise begins with that film and ends with Aliens. There is no Alien 3 or Resurrection. Just like there is no X-Men 3 or Origins: Wolverine movie, there is only X-Men and X2. Simple :)
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GamePlayer wrote:I can't bring myself to pay for this film. At best, this is a download just for bitching rights, but I'm not sure I want to waste my time. Fuck McGimp and his bullshit.

As for the Terminator franchise, it begins with T1 and ends at T2. Just like the Alien franchise begins with that film and ends with Aliens. There is no Alien 3 or Resurrection. Just like there is no X-Men 3 or Origins: Wolverine movie, there is only X-Men and X2. Simple :)
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Well that's the great thing about bad movies; you don't have to watch them ever again. While the lousy sequels pass from popular culture without notice, the originals just keep getting better with age. Much like Frank Herbert's Dune :)

And speaking of the originals...

James Cameron's Future War

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GamePlayer wrote:I can't bring myself to pay for this film. At best, this is a download just for bitching rights, but I'm not sure I want to waste my time. Fuck McGimp and his bullshit.

As for the Terminator franchise, it begins with T1 and ends at T2. Just like the Alien franchise begins with that film and ends with Aliens. There is no Alien 3 or Resurrection. Just like there is no X-Men 3 or Origins: Wolverine movie, there is only X-Men and X2. Simple :)
I have not seen the new Terminator movie yet, and I doubt I will ever see Wolverine, but I am down with this, especially the "fuck McG" part. I hate that guy.
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I particularly enjoyed the part where Bale is trying to break into Skynet...and he's hacking a control panel (by hacking, I mean he's ripped the damn thing open and has wires hanging out) and needs to hide from a patrolling terminator.

...the robot looks right at the obviously-tampered-with control panel and keeps right on walking.

Seriously?
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well thats not surprising when you take into account that Skynet apparently sees no need to attack the resistance's airbases.

Good luck doing that heart transplant in a desert field hospital with the walls up. No need to check for bloodtype...oh and I guess those hill-billy dudes who tried to rape Moon had enough antibiotics to keep John Connor set for life.
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Yep your all hitting, SimpleNet on the head... way to stupid in so many ways its insulting. The Sarah Conner Chronicles.. is or was way more interesting and intricate.. its not perfect and is off the continuity scale by a rocket shot but works better than this film. I wonder if thats why they canceled it?

I agree with GP that T1 and T2 are the franchise but there was definatly more movie making to be had.. it just got all screwed up in the courts with rights and so forth. T-3 should have been more into judgement day... and a lot of the below.... to bring about salvation...

....Destruction.... OPPRESSION.... FEELINGS AND EMOTIONS OF LOSS, NO HOPE, DESPERATION... As the last of humanity is hurded into the burners of the killing factories of the Machines... on the edge of OBLIVION!!! Then one man rises up... shows them how to fight the machines... smashing those metal MF'r's into scrap as that one man, JOHN CONNOR.. brings humanity back from the brink... The war for life begins.

McG missed this on so many fucking levels it hurts... this movie had nothing of the above..

From a remade T-3, the Piece of crap that is in theatres now could have been molded into the next part of the campaign... building the resistance.. matching up and going toe to toe with the machines as Humanity works to rid the world of this menance and vice versa.

The last movie being an all attack on Skynet as the resistance and John discover that they are sending back terminators to kill his parents in the past... at this point the story line can go one of 3 ways:

1. they destroy Skynet... its time machine capabilites.. preventing anything going back... storyline ends and the future moves forward.. hummanity wins

2. do the above, forever setting the future forward... but.... Does Humanity win??? (small cliff hanger.. machine left over, potential for comeback?)

3. The above with a twist, a metal resistance is discovered... independent machines that dont want to do bidding of Skynet, they join humanity in its struggle... they smash skynet and humanity wins...( the old man and machine go together into future ending)


It doesnt have to go exactly the way I say, Im just basing off the original Cameron movie... when Kyle Reese screams into the camera while being interviewed by the psychiatrist... was very powerful moment and showed the emotion, desperation, and dedication his character had.

In T-1, That point in the station where Sarah is watching the taped interview is the soul of the movie... and what the new one is missing.

Sarah has it so powerful in T-2, the loss and hollow interior she displays as she feels that her fate is set.. then she changes over and realizes that fate is not set, you make your own way in the world. Again very powerful and well acted... new movie... not even close.

T-3 Im not gonna even go into, was just bad.

we cant go back.. but this could be salvaged and turned around with meticulas handing of detail and refocus...but will it happen, NO. So here we are, terminator roasting on an open spit.. poking to check if its done.
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Omphalos wrote:I have not seen the new Terminator movie yet, and I doubt I will ever see Wolverine, but I am down with this, especially the "fuck McG" part. I hate that guy.
We gotta vote with our dollars :)
trang wrote:I agree with GP that T1 and T2 are the franchise but there was definitely more movie making to be had.. it just got all screwed up in the courts with rights and so forth. T-3 should have been more into judgment day... and a lot of the below.... to bring about salvation...
I'm not so sure. I think the Terminator universe was wrapped up really well with T2. At least in terms of exploring the themes, the two films make great bookends within which they fully explore their fictional world. The Terminator ended with impending struggle, where as Terminator 2: Judgment Day ended with hope. The two films make a great package that leaves the audience very fulfilled, having run through the gamut of human struggle and reconciliation.

Having said that, I will agree that T2 did do a good job expounding upon the upcoming challenges Sarah would face after the finale of the original Terminator. In that respect, John Connor's upcoming challenges could make for a compelling addition to the franchise, but ONLY if we reject the hopeful ending of T2. See, the fictional history of the Terminator universe was irrevocably changed by the events of T2, especially the themes "the future is not set" from the first film and "no fate but what we make" from the second film. Meaning, there isn't necessarily a future war against the machines and T2 strongly suggests there won't be. Just by virtue of making further films in the franchise, we're disregarding the message of hope and optimism built by the story of T2. We have to assume the future will get worse instead of better, which in a way sabotages all the struggles the characters made in the first two films.

And in my opinion, if some director is going to mess with T2 to justify the existence of his sequel, it had better be a sequel that equals or exceeds T2. So far, no one has even come close.
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GamePlayer wrote:
Omphalos wrote:I have not seen the new Terminator movie yet, and I doubt I will ever see Wolverine, but I am down with this, especially the "fuck McG" part. I hate that guy.
We gotta vote with our dollars :)
trang wrote:I agree with GP that T1 and T2 are the franchise but there was definitely more movie making to be had.. it just got all screwed up in the courts with rights and so forth. T-3 should have been more into judgment day... and a lot of the below.... to bring about salvation...
I'm not so sure. I think the Terminator universe was wrapped up really well with T2. At least in terms of exploring the themes, the two films make great bookends within which they fully explore their fictional world. The Terminator ended with impending struggle, where as Terminator 2: Judgment Day ended with hope. The two films make a great package that leaves the audience very fulfilled, having run through the gamut of human struggle and reconciliation.

Having said that, I will agree that T2 did do a good job expounding upon the upcoming challenges Sarah would face after the finale of the original Terminator. In that respect, John Connor's upcoming challenges could make for a compelling addition to the franchise, but ONLY if we reject the hopeful ending of T2. See, the fictional history of the Terminator universe was irrevocably changed by the events of T2, especially the themes "the future is not set" from the first film and "no fate but what we make" from the second film. Meaning, there isn't necessarily a future war against the machines and T2 strongly suggests there won't be. Just by virtue of making further films in the franchise, we're disregarding the message of hope and optimism built by the story of T2. We have to assume the future will get worse instead of better, which in a way sabotages all the struggles the characters made in the first two films.

And in my opinion, if some director is going to mess with T2 to justify the existence of his sequel, it had better be a sequel that equals or exceeds T2. So far, no one has even come close.

This can be argued many ways and I appreciate your opinion and love for the two movies.

I think in terms of the Physic's/mechanics of the time traveling scenario. The story is a causality Loop... The events unfold from the future... sending back a terminator to kill sarah connor. The future could not happen if the past events had not already occured. Moving forward to T2.. the second Terminator is sent back.. and then the second T-101 is sent back... from the Future.... again nothing could be sent back if the events from the past had not played out.

Irregardless of how, what, or who Sarah Connor destroys... her actions do not and cannot break the loop. The Future HAS to occur (judgement day, Connor Starting the resistance, skynets development, machine war.. etc) all the way up to the LOOP critical point or juncture, that which is where Connor's resistance has smashed skynet defences and is inbound to destroy it.. and Skynet has sent back the first and second terminators.

All the events of the past forward to this point have to occur.. and the only way to break the loop is for connor to prevent the terminator from being sent back. The future moves forward from that point.

The additions that should have been made are a T-3 that incorporates Judgement day (the date can be floating due to changes made in past events but varibles will work themselves out to continue the march forward to the critical juncture) then the subsequent years of death and near annilation of the human race.. moveing to connor breaking out and building a resistance. A T-4 movie should have been the resistance in full toe to toe action with the machines... working to that end of figuring out what skynet is doing and stoping it. A final Movie would be the resistance discovers the skynet plot and stops them from sending the terminator back, humanity wins.
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I just watched Terminator this weekend, Kyle Reese said he was from "one possible future... from Sarah's point of view".

It's not a causualty loop if what we saw in the movies were alternate universes from the events in the future... which in that case didn't matter.
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I'm not really interested in debating the fictional mechanics of Terminator-style time travel in regards to whether sequels can be made. Especially not when James Cameron hasn't even stated how time travel works in his fictional universe. However, enough has been implicitly stated in the first two films to infer the Terminator universe is NOT in a causality loop ("the future is not set" and the whole theme of Terminator 2). Regardless, I'm only interested in how the films work thematically and whether or not there is any dramatic action that can carry a story long enough to justify sequels after the first two films. And like I said, T3 did not succeed at this and it doesn't appear that TS is any exception.

Simply making a sequel from the possibility of an open plot thread is not enough. If that were enough, it would be much easier for Hollywood to pump out an endless amount of successful sequels. One must have some kind of dramatically compelling story to make a movie work, like the first two films. Like I said, the sequels have to stand on their own and justify themselves, especially if they are going to disregard the themes of the far superior T2.
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You know... there's a porn star named "Kylee Reese" (HOT!).

I wonder if Terminator is where she got the name from? Coincidence?
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I respect your opinions but disagree on many points. I even went back and rewatched all three films yesterday. The main thing is T1 and T2 are epic and excellent. The rest remains in debate.

The statement by Kyle Reese to sarah was " one possible future, from your perspective, I dont know tech stuff."

The sci-fi movie page review of T:S is about the best written I have found. I agree one hundred percent with it.

http://www.scifimoviepage.com/terminator_salvation.html
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I've read nothing good about this film. The only defense I've heard about it comes from the denial crowd, yelling;

"Movie critics don't know anything. Why can't they just enjoy a good action film?"

...which has become the cry for those without a clue in this generation :)
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You know, now that I think about, exploring a dumb but dangerous Skynet, think T-Rex instead of raptor pack, would be interesting in a sci-fi scope. But of course I'm assuming the breaks in logic here come from lowsy scripting/directing rather than any hope of an actual sci-fi plot.

It makes sense for an evil AI to be less intelligent, reacting as a predator vs prey (fight or flight), or even as a scared animal backed into a wall when it realizes its alive, but someone can pull the plug or flip a switch at any time and i'm gone.

The machines don't have to be smart to take over, just nuke-proof.

I mean come on, SKYNET was built by the military, which means it was built by the lowest bidder. All we have to do is wait for it to have a blue screen of death.
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DESTROY ALL HUMANS !!

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I'll not see this in the theatre, on my own free will, anyway.

I'll probably see it on the netflix or randomly @a showing @someone's house.

but wasn't this the movie we'd been waiting for ?
the actual fight between the humans & machines that had been teased in all the other films ?


the last movie was cool enough for middle-school boys & Simon,
but the only neat moment came at the very end when it was clear
that John Conner was going to be caught in a bombshelter w/ Claire Danes @the End of the World ...

that's hot ...
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SandRider wrote:DESTROY ALL HUMANS !!

but wasn't this the movie we'd been waiting for ?
the actual fight between the humans & machines
Don't worry, you'll get to see lots of that kinda stuff in the opening scenes and historical flashbacks in Dune (201?)! :P
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There are a few things I had problems with but they could be smoothed out in the next film I guess.

How does Skynet know that Kyle Reese and John Connor are the two most important targets if they haven't proven it yet? Does Skynet somehow infer this from the three Terminators sent back in the past along with history reports from newspapers and news programs?

Also, this Keagan character seems pretty intent on Marcus. The only way this makes sense is that Keagan is from the future and knows that Marcus is the key to keeping Connor alive at some point.

Other than that, pretty tame for the most part.
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