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Re: Twitter Wars!

Postby SandRider » 19 May 2014 07:50

I just don't have the motivation or stomach to follow
Keith's twits everyday, anymore, much less Brian.

However, I'd be amused to see the more dense and/or
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Re: Twitter Wars!

Postby Hunchback Jack » 03 Jun 2014 20:35

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It's "Peter Davison". If you're going to name-drop, at least get the name right, Keith!

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Re: Twitter Wars!

Postby Naib » 04 Jun 2014 08:23

Hunchback Jack wrote:
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It's "Peter Davison". If you're going to name-drop, at least get the name right, Keith!

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What a twat.

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Re: Twitter Wars!

Postby inhuien » 04 Jun 2014 08:48

3 decades ago it would have been the Dr. Who actor boasting about meeting the author of DUNE.
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inhuien wrote:3 decades ago it would have been the Dr. Who actor boasting about meeting the author of DUNE.


OMG, that made me feel old. :character-oldtimer:
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Re: Twitter Wars!

Postby Sev » 05 Apr 2015 13:41

Something is seriously wrong in the world of literary SF - because Keith has just been nominated in the Best Novel Category for a Hugo Award for his newest Seven Sucks book. What the Fuck?!
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Postby Serkanner » 05 Apr 2015 16:04

Sev wrote:Something is seriously wrong in the world of literary SF - because Keith has just been nominated in the Best Novel Category for a Hugo Award for his newest Seven Sucks book. What the Fuck?!


That says it all about the current state of the genre. No wonder I only re-read older novels or try to find missed gems.
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Re: Twitter Wars!

Postby Sardaukar Capt » 05 Apr 2015 22:19

The Hugos are a political in-fighting mess apparently. I had no idea about the Scalzi and TOR Books "social justice" campaigning for Hugo nominations the past few years and then the Sad Puppies backlash campaign that seemed to win out for that side this year. I never paid much attention to the Hugos before but Googled the nominations when I say tehkja got a nom. I don't think The Hack was involved in any of it but now I have 2 reason to lose respect for the Hugo.
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Re: Twitter Wars!

Postby Ampoliros » 05 Apr 2015 22:48

I wasn't aware it was ballot nominees. Considering the amount of suspected shill reviews either KJA or Tor is buying, I wouldn't be surprised if the Hugo had been totally infected.

Apparently another campaign rigged all the other nominations to make them more pop-sci-fi oriented, so its no surprise at all that KJA was on the list.
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Re: Twitter Wars!

Postby Omphalos » 06 Apr 2015 10:35

Sev wrote:Something is seriously wrong in the world of literary SF - because Keith has just been nominated in the Best Novel Category for a Hugo Award for his newest Seven Sucks book. What the Fuck?!


The Hugo awards have lost all their meaning, and I am not just saying this because this piece of shit got a nomination. This has been going on for years now. I would say at least 3/4 of the works that get nominated these days are unreadable trash.

That and the genre has gone to hell.

Honestly, the old stuff is where its at.

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Re: Twitter Wars!

Postby Naïve mind » 06 Apr 2015 17:46

I was reading about the drama, and found this wonderful quote from the "Sad puppy" campaigner

the many authors on the SP3 slate who have never before received even a single Hugo award nomination, including venerable greats like Kevin J. Anderson — the long slighting of one of the field’s titans has finally ended!


I'm not sure what to make of it. To be honest, I don't think anyone but sf authors ever cared about the Hugos.

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Re: Twitter Wars!

Postby Sardaukar Capt » 06 Apr 2015 20:07

To put the Hugos in perspective.

Frank Herbert: 2 Hugo Nominations with 1 win for Dune

John Scalzi: 4 Hugo Nominations with 1 win for Redshirts ... a blatant Star Trek rip-off.

Keith J Anderhack: 1 Hugo Nomination (this year).
The name Atreides was also consciously chosen. It is the family name of Agamemnon. Says Herbert, "I wanted a sense of monumental aristocracy, but with tragedy hanging over them--and in our culture, Agamemnon personifies that."
Frank Herbert by Tim O'Reilly
http://tim.oreilly.com/herbert/

Ghanima said. "We Atreides go back to Agamemnon..."
Distracted, Irulan asked: "Who's Agamemnon?"

Children of Dune by Frank Herbert

WTF? A BG forgets the Titans?! :)

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Re: Twitter Wars!

Postby Naïve mind » 06 Apr 2015 23:46

You know, if KJA wins this, he'll be Hugo-award winning author Kevin J. Anderson. He won't need Dune anymore.

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Re: Twitter Wars!

Postby Sardaukar Capt » 07 Apr 2015 09:33

My fear with a win by the Hack is that the McDune situation would get a lot worse, not better. Wouldn't surprise me that if he wins, he'll use that as leverage with the HLP twits to get full creative control and sole credit on future McDune books. I could see TOR backing him also since McDune sales, with the status quo of him and BoBo co-authoring, are flagging. We know the HLP is all about money and I could see a scenario with Kieth and TOR pushing for a change in the relationship with a Hugo win for Kieth.
The name Atreides was also consciously chosen. It is the family name of Agamemnon. Says Herbert, "I wanted a sense of monumental aristocracy, but with tragedy hanging over them--and in our culture, Agamemnon personifies that."
Frank Herbert by Tim O'Reilly
http://tim.oreilly.com/herbert/

Ghanima said. "We Atreides go back to Agamemnon..."
Distracted, Irulan asked: "Who's Agamemnon?"

Children of Dune by Frank Herbert

WTF? A BG forgets the Titans?! :)

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Re: Twitter Wars!

Postby Ampoliros » 07 Apr 2015 12:02

While that could happen, I see it causing TOR to pick up the saggy suns as a new series, since its the one he was nominated for.

It won't stop his productivity or his ego.


But hey, Big Bang Theory is the most popular comedy on TV right now, its not surprising KJA was nominated for a Hugo.
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Re: Twitter Wars!

Postby Freakzilla » 07 Apr 2015 14:23

Ampoliros wrote:But hey, Big Bang Theory is the most popular comedy on TV right now, its not surprising KJA was nominated for a Hugo.


I only watch it for Penny. :drool:
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Re: Twitter Wars!

Postby Omphalos » 08 Apr 2015 20:03

If myself from ten years ago heard me saying this now, I am sure I would sock myself in the jaw. But man, oh man SF literature really, really sucks these days. Most of it is absolutely unreadable.

Poor myself.

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Re: Twitter Wars!

Postby trang » 08 Apr 2015 22:19

I step away and all hell breaks loose.....wow. I knew for awhile about he sham the Hugo's have become ( why I don't pay attention) but had no idea dipstick was a nominee.

I will have to catch up some..
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Re: Twitter Wars!

Postby Lawliet » 11 Apr 2015 09:25

George R.R Martin, one of my favorite writers, has been talking about this issue on his website, and he actually replies to MANY of the comments, it's a great read, really. I think it's an interesting matter to discuss, so I post it here:

http://grrm.livejournal.com/417125.html

http://grrm.livejournal.com/417521.html

http://grrm.livejournal.com/417600.html

http://grrm.livejournal.com/417812.html

(In the comments of this one he wrote this):

Look, we all have favorites, books and stories and writers we like. Some get recognized, some do not. And tastes differ.

I want the Hugo Awards to go to GREAT work. Work worthy to stand besides LORD OF LIGHT and THE DEMOLISHED MAN and THE LEFT HAND OF DARKNESS. There are lots of writers who have spent decades in the field and published dozens, even hundreds, of books, without ever rising above the level of mediocrity. You don't get a Hugo for longevity or number of books published.

Now, obviously, you admire the work of Kevin J. Anderson and Lee Modesitt and think they are writing Hugo-calibre stuff. Others may not... not because of "prejudice" or "campaigning," but because they are not taken by the work. Myself, I am far more outraged that Gene Wolfe has never won a Hugo, that Howard Waldrop has never won one, that Chad Oliver and Algis Budrys lived and died without winning one. Jack Vance won a couple, but if it were up to me, he'd have won twenty.

Point simply being, we all have favorites who get overlooked.

As for tie-ins, we will have to disagree. I don't think tie-ins SHOULD win Hugos. They are work-for-hire gigs, and they are lesser work. Part of the writer's art, especially in SF and fantasy, is worldbuilding. And character is the soul of all fiction. A tie-in writer has his world and characters handed to him. He tells a story, but he is not creating, not in the same way as a writer who starts from a blank sheet of paper.

Amd boy, you guys really hate REDSHIRTS. I don't understand that. It's just the kind of fun adventure story that I thought the Puppies wanted more of. Are you judging the work, or the author? Is it Scalzi's writing you hate, or his politics?





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Re: Twitter Wars!

Postby Sandwurm88 » 11 Apr 2015 17:51

FWIW, I actually don't think Scalzi is that bad as a writer. He's produced some junk, sure, but also some legitimately solid stuff like Old Man's War. He's definitely no KJA.

And the Hugo nomination is disappointing for sure. I still think he'll win a Nebula first, though. The KJA circlejerk over there was started back around 2008, and it's gained too much momentum to slow down at this point...

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Re: Twitter Wars!

Postby Sardaukar Capt » 11 Apr 2015 21:25

I read Redshirts and liked it but I did not think it was original enough to warrant something like a Hugo but apparently Scalzi is good at campaigning for them.

Truth be told, I like Scalzi as an author and I really like his Old Man's War books except for The Last Colony and Zoe's Tale which I thought were crap compared to the first two and yet ironically both were nominated for a Hugo.
The name Atreides was also consciously chosen. It is the family name of Agamemnon. Says Herbert, "I wanted a sense of monumental aristocracy, but with tragedy hanging over them--and in our culture, Agamemnon personifies that."
Frank Herbert by Tim O'Reilly
http://tim.oreilly.com/herbert/

Ghanima said. "We Atreides go back to Agamemnon..."
Distracted, Irulan asked: "Who's Agamemnon?"

Children of Dune by Frank Herbert

WTF? A BG forgets the Titans?! :)

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Postby Freakzilla » 12 Apr 2015 19:05

Loved Old Man's War.
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Re: Twitter Wars!

Postby Hunchback Jack » 13 Apr 2015 03:03

Omphalos wrote:If myself from ten years ago heard me saying this now, I am sure I would sock myself in the jaw. But man, oh man SF literature really, really sucks these days. Most of it is absolutely unreadable.


To be honest, I'm not reading that much SF these days - at least not new SF - but there is some readable stuff out there that's not too old. Gibson's The Peripheral was quite good. The Martian by Andy Weir and Ready Player One by Ernest Cline were both fun reads, and well-written. The Windup Girl by Paolo Bacigalupi had some great ideas, although the storytelling itself was lacking, I thought. I'll probably read his new one out later this year.

Right now I'm reading Absolution Gap by Alastair Reynolds, but I guess that's 10 years old, now. But it's meaty SF goodness.

But yeah, good SF is definitely thinner on the ground these days. It's sad that KJAs by-the-numbers space opera could get a look-in for the Hufos, but I'm not that surprised.

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Re: Twitter Wars!

Postby Omphalos » 14 Apr 2015 13:20

Hunchback Jack wrote:
Omphalos wrote:If myself from ten years ago heard me saying this now, I am sure I would sock myself in the jaw. But man, oh man SF literature really, really sucks these days. Most of it is absolutely unreadable.


To be honest, I'm not reading that much SF these days - at least not new SF - but there is some readable stuff out there that's not too old. Gibson's The Peripheral was quite good. The Martian by Andy Weir and Ready Player One by Ernest Cline were both fun reads, and well-written. The Windup Girl by Paolo Bacigalupi had some great ideas, although the storytelling itself was lacking, I thought. I'll probably read his new one out later this year.

Right now I'm reading Absolution Gap by Alastair Reynolds, but I guess that's 10 years old, now. But it's meaty SF goodness.

But yeah, good SF is definitely thinner on the ground these days. It's sad that KJAs by-the-numbers space opera could get a look-in for the Hufos, but I'm not that surprised.

HBJ

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Re: Twitter Wars!

Postby Serkanner » 14 Apr 2015 17:25

Hunchback Jack wrote:The Windup Girl by Paolo Bacigalupi had some great ideas, although the storytelling itself was lacking, I thought.
Right now I'm reading Absolution Gap by Alastair Reynolds, but I guess that's 10 years old, now. But it's meaty SF goodness.

But yeah, good SF is definitely thinner on the ground these days. It's sad that KJAs by-the-numbers space opera could get a look-in for the Hufos, but I'm not that surprised.

HBJ


I agree on all three points. More and more I am drifting to other genres.
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