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Freakzilla wrote:I've heard that even US Army Scouts (my former job) today primarily use GPS.

POSERS!

Back in my day :waves cane: we use a map, compass and protractor.

Compass? You hi-tech maniac, a real man does it by the sun and the stars, and the side of trees that moss is growing on!

A Thing of Eternity wrote:

Freakzilla wrote:I've heard that even US Army Scouts (my former job) today primarily use GPS.

POSERS!

Back in my day :waves cane: we use a map, compass and protractor.

Compass? You hi-tech maniac, a real man does it by the sun and the stars,

What if it's raining?

and the side of trees that moss is growing on!

That would be all sides.

Freakzilla wrote:

A Thing of Eternity wrote:

Freakzilla wrote:I've heard that even US Army Scouts (my former job) today primarily use GPS.

POSERS!

Back in my day :waves cane: we use a map, compass and protractor.

Compass? You hi-tech maniac, a real man does it by the sun and the stars,

What if it's raining?

Then you guess damnit, like a man!

and the side of trees that moss is growing on!

That would be all sides.

Narr, she grows thickest on the north side she does, yarr.

Freakzilla wrote:I've heard that even US Army Scouts (my former job) today primarily use GPS.

POSERS!

Back in my day :waves cane: we use a map, compass and protractor.

Scouts out!

I had no idea scouts are using GPS. In my day, as I wave my termite infested cane, we tested a GPS system that must have weighed about 8 pounds and barely worked. Of course there were probably half the satellites in the sky, but still I would never have trusted my life to it.

And try navigating with the sun in South American triple canopy jungle, A thing of Eternity.

For the record, since I seem to have been missread, I was kidding.

Idahopotato wrote:Wow. And I thought I knew a lot about Dune. That was amazing. That was a very good analysis. Also, due to the vastness of the empire and the amount of time since then, and the fact that there was a transition from computers to non computers, much of the history of the BJ would have been lost. It most likely would not have even been called that at the time, as most wars are usually named or renamed well after the fact by historians.

Just remember to tease the fact from the deduction from the pure speculation. (Especially the dogmatic stuff based on personal preferences, in the last case. )

Yeah, any information not transferred to unobjectionable media would have been lost when the computers went. (Then again, I can see some overzealous mujahideen burning books, too.) Of course, the Duniverse still had a "Memories 'R' Us" establishment in the Bene Gesserit with their Other Memory (and secret computers). But they were rather stingy doling it out.

Serkanner wrote:Wow, you perfectly described the world I grew up in. Now I feel old ...

And you're younger than me...

Idahopotato wrote:And try navigating with the sun in South American triple canopy jungle, A thing of Eternity.

"We call that one ... simply Thang," Stilgar said.

Idahopotato wrote:Scouts out!

HUAH!

Were you in the Army? MOS?

A Thing of Eternity wrote:For the record, since I seem to have been missread, I was kidding.

For the record, I knew that.

SandChigger wrote:

Idahopotato wrote:And try navigating with the sun in South American triple canopy jungle, A thing of Eternity.

"We call that one ... simply Thang," Stilgar said.

Yarr, I also be called AToE from time to time, and some people find the Arabic translation of A Thing of Eternity to be a nice thing to call me as well. (you get bonus points if you know what that translation is)

Freakzilla wrote:

A Thing of Eternity wrote:For the record, since I seem to have been missread, I was kidding.

For the record, I knew that.

I wasn't totally sure, but I figured.

Freakzilla wrote:

Idahopotato wrote:Scouts out!

HUAH!

Were you in the Army? MOS?

I was. Army Rangers, 1st batallion

Idahopotato wrote:

Freakzilla wrote:

Idahopotato wrote:Scouts out!

HUAH!

Were you in the Army? MOS?

I was. Army Rangers, 1st batallion

Rangers lead the way!

Someone dare him to eat a bug!

Just kidding.

Freakzilla wrote:Someone dare him to eat a bug!

Watch it.

Freakzilla wrote:

Idahopotato wrote:

Freakzilla wrote:

Idahopotato wrote:Scouts out!

HUAH!

Were you in the Army? MOS?

I was. Army Rangers, 1st batallion

Rangers lead the way!

Someone dare him to eat a bug!

Just kidding.

All the way!

And I haven't had to eat bugs, rodents or even small dogs in about 15 years. Not saying I can't, but with all the tasty food out there these days, I think I can refrain from eating bugs. Unless of course on a lazy Sunday, a spider happens to cross my path before the pizza delivery guy shows up.

I'm sure it's nice to know you can, if you need to.

You would be surprised what a person can do if the situation depends upon it. Enjoying it is a completely different matter. For example, I can masturbate just fine with my left hand, but I much prefer my right

Idahopotato wrote:You would be surprised what a person can do if the situation depends upon it.

The Army will definately test your limits in a combat arms MOS.

Enjoying it is a completely different matter. For example, I can masturbate just fine with my left hand, but I much prefer my right

I like to use my left now and again and pretend it's a first date.

Freakzilla wrote:

Idahopotato wrote:You would be surprised what a person can do if the situation depends upon it.

The Army will definately test your limits in a combat arms MOS.

Enjoying it is a completely different matter. For example, I can masturbate just fine with my left hand, but I much prefer my right

I like to use my left now and again and pretend it's a first date.

wouldn't that be a case of not on the first night?

Freakzilla wrote:

Idahopotato wrote:You would be surprised what a person can do if the situation depends upon it.

The Army will definately test your limits in a combat arms MOS.

Enjoying it is a completely different matter. For example, I can masturbate just fine with my left hand, but I much prefer my right

I like to use my left now and again and pretend it's a first date.

At times I like to sit on my hand until it falls asleep. I call that move "the stranger". The only problem is that you have to be very fast or else your hand wakes up and ruins the fantasy.

feels good man

Freakzilla wrote:I think it was probably crucial in early space exploration. I partially blame the stagnation of the Old Empire on that... and my parents.

I tend to consider certain of Frank Herbert's non-Dune (and non-"ConSentiency) works to perhaps take place in the very earliest days of humanity's space explorations in the Dune universe -- among these the Destination: Void books, The Godmakers, etc.

Destination: Void SPOILERS!

As far as the Destination: Void books go, there is the idea of machine-consciousness in both series. In the D:V universe, Ship becomes a god-figure, but tries to take care of the humans and allows them to evolve and persevere through the harsh environment of their planet. And Ship eventually -- when the humans prove themselves worthy and discover how to "worShip" -- takes off into the Void at the end of The Jesus Incident, and lets the humans be. A "tough love" machine ruler, as opposed to oppressive men with machines, as suggested in Dune.

There are also several other very recognizable elements from the Dune universe in Destination: Void, from the philosophical (the machine-consciousness debate mentioned above), to the physical (axlotl tanks are used to grow clones/ghola-precursors). The books are positively awash in Dune references.

Raja Lon Flattery's intense misgivings on the entire A.I.-project alone seem to point to the eventual mindset that will fuel the Butlerian Jihad in later centuries, and there are also the first steps taken on what could be the road to proto-Mentats in the novels. That all said, I don't rate the Brian Herbert/KJA version of the Jihad, however...it's the Willis McNelly/Dune Encyclopedia version for me.

Please let people know if you are going to post spoilers.

Seen this suggested before, chronology simply does not work. Different universes, get over it.

I've always felt FH's "other novels" were proving grounds for ideas he might use in the Dune series but as Sandchigger says, they don't quite fit.

Not quite an ill fit -- the entire "Pandora" series takes place in almost complete sociopolitical isolation from the rest of the surrounding universe that encompasses it (mostly either on the planet itself, or within the confines of the Ship), and one could very easily make the case that the series could, indeed, exist somewhere in the murky "early period" of Herbert's own Dune universe.

In fact, over the years, there've been a number of fandom-produced timelines (both in print fanzines, and on the Internet) that have shown rather well that it is quite possible to connect the Dune and Pandora series, since there isn't a specific, locked-down timeframe/year mentioned in the latter series of books, IIRC.

This series, Dune, and The Dosadi Experiment all have very similar concepts and themes -- all unique and all brilliant, but after Destination: Void, the Pandora series does take on easy Dune or Dosadi comparisons, in that the idea of greatness achieved only through hardship is central to each. Comfort = weakness, struggle = evolution, plus the myriad of social, psychological, and religious insights present in each series.