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      The Unabomber Manifesto and TBJ

      Postby HoosierDaddy » 05 Jul 2008 10:30

      Many years ago before the Unabomber was arrested and jailed in the US, he wrote a manifesto that was published by various news organizations.

      When I skimmed through it back then, I was surprised that it was well written, and that it struck of Frank Herbert's prediction of a future jihad against technology.

      http://cyber.eserver.org/unabom.txt

      Not an easy read, but skimming through the section titles will give an idea of what he was railing against. Maybe an easier read is the wiki on him:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Kaczynski

      I wonder if he ever read FH books?

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      Postby orald » 05 Jul 2008 11:44

      HoosierDaddy wrote:I wonder if he ever read FH books?

      :P

      Of course not! No FH reader would EVER think of bombing anything! :shock:

      Damn, they're on to me!


      EDIT: Is it bad that I see some correlation between his and my own thinking? :shock:
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      Postby GamePlayer » 05 Jul 2008 12:40

      I remember reading somewhere that Dune was a big hit in many middle eastern countries :)
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      Postby orald » 05 Jul 2008 12:50

      Oh really? Well, The White Plague sure is a hit here. As in, my room.

      :twisted:
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      Postby SandChigger » 05 Jul 2008 19:31

      (arnoloco used to quote passages from the manifesto in support of his interpretation of the Jihad [basically P&B's Terminator one] without attributing the source. Obviously no one was paying enough attention to him to try tracking it down. :lol: )
      I have heard of only one mistake that doesn’t have an explanation for a careful reader...with an open mind. (And, no, I’m not going to tell you what it is!) —KJA

      I don't like every writer's style; for instance, I have never been able to get through Ursula LeGuin, China Mieville, or Iain Banks, all of whom are critical darlings. —KJA

      I...had written a bunch of Star Wars and X-Files books...that proved not just that I'm a hack, but that I could write in somebody else's universe... —KJA
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      Postby waff » 05 Jul 2008 20:29

      We can launch a Unabomber jihad against the HLP. "Thou shalt not make a crappy book in the likeness of a Dune novel"!
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      Postby HoosierDaddy » 05 Jul 2008 20:40

      SandChigger wrote:(arnoloco used to quote passages from the manifesto in support of his interpretation of the Jihad [basically P&B's Terminator one] without attributing the source. Obviously no one was paying enough attention to him to try tracking it down. :lol: )


      The gist I got from browsing the Unabomber manifesto is Teddy was much closer to FH's future vision, than to P&B's Omnipus and Erashole. His fear was not machine minds taking over, rather technology/government dehumanizing mankind into a drone-like existence.

      And given that he was a smart paranoid schitzo living in a shack, he had a lot of motivation (and free time).

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      Postby HoosierDaddy » 05 Jul 2008 20:57

      waff wrote:We can launch a Unabomber jihad against the HLP. "Thou shalt not make a crappy book in the likeness of a Dune novel"!


      I seem to remember Chigger proposing such an idea a while back. Something about creating hollowed out prequels/sequels (with some of his own "editing inside), and mailing them back to KA.

      The cry "I shate in your books, and they remain unchanged" would unite the faithful.


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      Postby SandChigger » 05 Jul 2008 22:43

      Um...I don't believe that was me came up with that idea. :wink:
      I have heard of only one mistake that doesn’t have an explanation for a careful reader...with an open mind. (And, no, I’m not going to tell you what it is!) —KJA

      I don't like every writer's style; for instance, I have never been able to get through Ursula LeGuin, China Mieville, or Iain Banks, all of whom are critical darlings. —KJA

      I...had written a bunch of Star Wars and X-Files books...that proved not just that I'm a hack, but that I could write in somebody else's universe... —KJA
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      Postby HoosierDaddy » 05 Jul 2008 23:43

      SandChigger wrote:Um...I don't believe that was me came up with that idea. :wink:


      Your fatwa on Pinky was inspired by the prophet, and will lead us all to paradise. Sending a few "copies" to Tor Books should also qualify for the "72 houri" bonus.

      Long live the fighters!

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      Postby SandChigger » 06 Jul 2008 01:41

      :shock:

      Oh. Dear.

      To paraphrase "the prophet" then: "Cult! RUN!!!" :P
      I have heard of only one mistake that doesn’t have an explanation for a careful reader...with an open mind. (And, no, I’m not going to tell you what it is!) —KJA

      I don't like every writer's style; for instance, I have never been able to get through Ursula LeGuin, China Mieville, or Iain Banks, all of whom are critical darlings. —KJA

      I...had written a bunch of Star Wars and X-Files books...that proved not just that I'm a hack, but that I could write in somebody else's universe... —KJA
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      Postby orald » 06 Jul 2008 09:49

      Silly amateurs. You blast people to bits to scare them, not send them some dried up feces. :roll:


      Long live the jihad! :twisted:
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      Postby SandChigger » 06 Jul 2008 18:59

      You know, mention of Jihad and blowing things up is very likely to bring this site to the attention of the wrong sort of people. Think you might want to tone it down a bit? :wink:
      I have heard of only one mistake that doesn’t have an explanation for a careful reader...with an open mind. (And, no, I’m not going to tell you what it is!) —KJA

      I don't like every writer's style; for instance, I have never been able to get through Ursula LeGuin, China Mieville, or Iain Banks, all of whom are critical darlings. —KJA

      I...had written a bunch of Star Wars and X-Files books...that proved not just that I'm a hack, but that I could write in somebody else's universe... —KJA
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      Postby GamePlayer » 06 Jul 2008 21:56

      Sounds like a job that calls for Jihad Watch!

      *trumpets sound*

      :lol:
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      Postby HoosierDaddy » 06 Jul 2008 23:22

      SandChigger wrote:You know, mention of Jihad and blowing things up is very likely to bring this site to the attention of the wrong sort of people. Think you might want to tone it down a bit? :wink:


      Otter wrote:We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons. But that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.


      And we're just the guys to do it.


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      Postby orald » 07 Jul 2008 03:58

      Sorry, Chig, I forgot how me mentioning my HATRED of Obama and my desire to ASSASSINATE him could draw unwanted attention to this here site. :wink:

      Nah, I'd rather kill the Clintons first, they've already done things to deserve death that I know of.
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      Postby Secher_Nbiw » 22 Sep 2008 07:04

      Is it just me, or can anyone else see the irony of reading the Unabomber Manifesto online? ;)
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      Postby Lundse » 22 Sep 2008 07:10

      Secher_Nbiw wrote:Is it just me, or can anyone else see the irony of reading the Unabomber Manifesto online? ;)


      Hehe - good one. I wonder if there are any discussion groups about it too?
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      Postby EsperandoAGodot » 09 Nov 2008 11:46

      I guess the epithet "Talifan" may not be too far from the truth, then? :lol:

      Anyway, was the naming of the Jihad not also hinting at a philosophical relationship to Samuel Butler?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Butler_(novelist)

      In this case, to say that machine intelligence was a fear of the Jihad is not entirely off base. Of course, it doesn't seem FH was discussing an actual war against enslaving machines, but it's likely that the jihadists may have felt that, in the end, it was either going to be the machines or us. I like to think the crap we've been handed in the Legends of Dune trilogy is the sort of stuff that the craziest of the crazies during the Butlerian Jihad imagined the future might hold.
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      Re: The Unabomber Manifesto and TBJ

      Postby distrans » 22 Feb 2018 13:23

      his manifesto is incredibly articulate

      did you know that in his youth at college he was a subject in the mind control torture experiments the government was funding at the time?
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