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    Postby Mandy » 15 Jun 2008 14:19

    Don't worry, it's not too hard to figure out. Try to ignore the rude welcome, we're really not that bad.
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    Postby dm1215 » 15 Jun 2008 14:34

    I have to sign off for a while and visit with my family. Thank you to those who have given me a warm welcome.
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    Postby Phaedrus » 15 Jun 2008 14:59

    Yeah, welcome, and please just ignore orald, that's what the rest of us do.

    But, as I'm sure you've probably figured out, you're in a minority on this board. That doesn't mean you're any less welcome. Just be prepared to defend your views(a good idea for anyone), and try not to talk too much about Norma or the Golden Path failing. Members around here tend to get pissy when people do that.

    Good luck, and I hope you enjoy the board.
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    Postby orald » 15 Jun 2008 15:12

    Mandy wrote:Try to ignore the rude welcome, we're really not that bad.

    Shall I link him to certain pre's threads? :wink:
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    Postby Nekhrun » 15 Jun 2008 16:04

    LiquidBlue wrote:Hi dm1215
    Welcome to the forum...and good luck :wink:

    We're not really that bad. It's too bad you newbies didn't know sunnypuck over on DN. I treat Orald's posts a lot like I did that guy's. There are a lot of new members here over the last week, I think people are still showing off a little. Things should calm down.

    dm1215, have you read much of our criticisms of kja & BH's writing? Perhaps we could direct you to some commentary that might convince you of just how terrible even the House books are.

    Also, hello.
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    Postby orald » 15 Jun 2008 16:18

    Yea...direct him to Chig's blog, the perfect place for polite talk. Hypocretes.
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    Postby Robspierre » 15 Jun 2008 16:36

    orald wrote:Yea...direct him to Chig's blog, the perfect place for polite talk. Hypocretes.


    Will you pull your head out of your fucking ass Orald? The asshole bit is beyond old.

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    Postby orald » 15 Jun 2008 16:48

    What's old? The fact that every time you guys say "ignore Orald, we do", "we appologize for Orald" etc while I'm not sure WTF I've written here so far to earn that? Yea, getting old.

    The new dummy's already on the it too, asking why I'm so evil in that feminism discussion. :roll:

    Yo, folks them read P&B trash and have difficulty reading Dune etc are DUMB. Enjoy yer stay. :D
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    Postby Robspierre » 15 Jun 2008 17:21

    Try showing some bloody respect and maybe people won't ignore you.

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    Postby Serkanner » 15 Jun 2008 17:32

    I don't care whether anybody likes the atrocities or not. I have my suspicions though when, on the same day as when the almighty moderator on DN brings on the topic of fans discovering Dune via the atrocities, also here one person, completely new to Dune, pops up and explicitly mentions to have found Dune via McDune.

    Most of the times its just a copy-account with an agenda.
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    Postby chanilover » 15 Jun 2008 17:53

    Hello and welcome.

    I started off quite liking the new books, but by the time I got to the last of the legends books, which I bought off ebay for a killing, I just thought they were utter shit.

    I know what you mean about God Emperor, the first time I read it I thought it was too wordy and the love affair with Hwi was annoying, but I finished reading it for the second time a few weeks ago and I think it's now my favourite of the books. It's a real grower.
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    Postby Phaedrus » 15 Jun 2008 17:55

    Robspierre wrote:Try showing some bloody respect and maybe people won't ignore you.

    Rob


    Yeah, and some of us will get off your back. orald.
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    Postby chanilover » 15 Jun 2008 17:58

    LEAVE ORALD ALONE YOU BASTARDS!

    Ooh, that felt good. Can I be a moderator please?
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    Postby LiquidBlue » 15 Jun 2008 18:06

    Nekhrun wrote:
    LiquidBlue wrote:Hi dm1215
    Welcome to the forum...and good luck :wink:

    We're not really that bad. It's too bad you newbies didn't know sunnypuck over on DN. I treat Orald's posts a lot like I did that guy's. There are a lot of new members here over the last week, I think people are still showing off a little. Things should calm down.


    I didn't mean anything negative by the good luck :) Just good luck defending your point of view. I really enjoy how well, for the most part, peole are able to support their arguments. Every point of view worth having should be one you can defend...

    Also, about readers that enjoy the new Dune books, but can't get into Frank's...I think that has more to do with level at which your average reader is prepared to think. Frank's books are more conceptual and require higher order thinking, where as KJA&BH are simply surface level texts...people no longer want to think...all the recapping, to me, has a very "TV" feel to it too...(BTW, I have the same critcism of Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series...more repetition than I can stand...)
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    Postby Phaedrus » 15 Jun 2008 18:15

    chanilover wrote:LEAVE ORALD ALONE YOU BASTARDS!


    No. dm1215 hasn't done anything to merit orald or Serk's reactions to him. If we tell everyone who likes something written by Brian and Kevin that they're shitty human beings and don't deserve to live, or are stupid and can't think, then Hypatia, Byron, and KJA are all right about us.

    If that's who we are, I don't want any part of it.

    Orald is being a fucking prick, and he needs to stop being one, ESPECIALLY towards new members. I'm not a moderator or admin either, so I'm probably overstepping the line(something Hyp called me out for), but I tihnk we should at least give dm1215 a chance before we start with the lambasting. If he turns out to be another TAZ, I don't care what happens, but from what I can tell, he's an intelligent poster who's willing to look into things rationally. So why don't we present our arguments, let him comb through, and see what he thinks/says, instead of telling him he'll burn in hell for liking some goddamn books.

    Fuck, guys.
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    Postby Mandy » 15 Jun 2008 18:18

    orald wrote:
    Mandy wrote:Try to ignore the rude welcome, we're really not that bad.

    Shall I link him to certain pre's threads? :wink:


    Sure :wink:
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    Postby chanilover » 15 Jun 2008 18:50

    EVERYONE TAKE A CHILL-PILL AND RELAX.

    I'm getting good at this. Who wants to nominate me for a moderator position?
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    Postby SandChigger » 15 Jun 2008 18:53

    Achlan wasachlan, dm1215!

    Your comments resonate like distant drumsand. Where could we have met before.... ;)
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    Postby LiquidBlue » 15 Jun 2008 19:09

    Well, I'm sure the mods can check IP addresses...I know I can on the forum I moderate...if its someone thats been here before, thats one way to sort things out...
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    Postby SandChigger » 15 Jun 2008 19:13

    They can. But I'm not positive this person has been HERE before.

    Has someone posted a link to Dune Novels, to aid those who have possibly lost their way and ended up here? :wink:
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    I...had written a bunch of Star Wars and X-Files books...that proved not just that I'm a hack, but that I could write in somebody else's universe... —KJA
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    Postby LiquidBlue » 15 Jun 2008 20:02

    They can. But I'm not positive this person has been HERE before.


    Well then, that does present a problem :wink:

    I found my way here from that site...thank goodness...
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    Postby SandChigger » 15 Jun 2008 20:05

    Did you register there? I haven't checked for your user name. :)

    (It just seems to me that people into the new books are also into belonging to the "Official Forum". I'm curious as to why someone would join here before there. Besides the fact that it sucks over there and the general ambience tastes of dirt...and ass. :D )
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    Postby LiquidBlue » 15 Jun 2008 20:22

    I didn't join there...I found it by accident looking for a reason as to why Siona was in Sheanna's OM, read through some stuff and was generally impressed with some of the views and the fact that people actually QUOTED from the text! How impressive :-) Then I tried to find it in my history a few days later and was like "no, dunenovels is the book website..." Well, that was clue number one that it might not be the most "open" forum on the web...I saw Freaks link to this forum and saw all the screen names that came off as intelligent from dunenovels and decided to join...

    The only KJA&BH books I've read were HoD and Sandworms...
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    Re: Newbie

    Postby Lisan Al-Gaib » 15 Jun 2008 20:22

    dm1215 wrote:Hi. I'm new to Dune as a whole and got into the series thanks to the new Dune novels by Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson. I'm currently finishing up the original series by Frank Herbert. I'm about 7/8 done with Chapterhouse. Good times!


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    Postby orald » 16 Jun 2008 03:27

    LiquidBlue wrote:The only KJA&BH books I've read were HoD and Sandworms...

    Just so you know, "HoD" is kinda reserved for Heretics of Dune, so as to not get confused.
    Here we call the other one Grunters of Dune(?).

    CL wrote:I know what you mean about God Emperor, the first time I read it I thought it was too wordy and the love affair with Hwi was annoying, but I finished reading it for the second time a few weeks ago and I think it's now my favourite of the books. It's a real grower.

    And yet Hwi is still annoying. :P
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