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    Re: I'm Not Onasander

    Postby SandRider » 27 Jan 2012 16:39

    I'm sure that's played a role somewhere ...

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    Re: I'm Not Onasander

    Postby Freakzilla » 27 Jan 2012 16:40

    ...or alcohol.
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    Re: I'm Not Onasander

    Postby JustSomeGuy » 27 Jan 2012 18:25

    Why do people hate the Jews?
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    Re: I'm Not Onasander

    Postby Serkanner » 27 Jan 2012 19:35

    JustSomeGuy wrote:Why do people hate the Jews?


    Because some people are hideous bastards. I mean the ones that hate Jewish people.
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    Re: I'm Not Onasander

    Postby SandChigger » 28 Jan 2012 05:54

    Freakzilla wrote:What was he thrown out of the military for?

    Bedwetting.

    JustSomeGuy wrote:Why do people hate the Jews?

    Christian prejudice.

    (Read something recently that very convincingly tied Hitler's obsession and Nazi persecution of the Jews with Martin Luther's writings. In effect, the Holocaust was the culmination of nearly two millennia of Christian hate. I can cite the essay & book if anyone's interested.)
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    Re: I'm Not Onasander

    Postby Eyes High » 28 Jan 2012 15:25

    SandChigger wrote:
    Freakzilla wrote:What was he thrown out of the military for?

    Bedwetting.

    JustSomeGuy wrote:Why do people hate the Jews?

    Christian prejudice.

    (Read something recently that very convincingly tied Hitler's obsession and Nazi persecution of the Jews with Martin Luther's writings. In effect, the Holocaust was the culmination of nearly two millennia of Christian hate. I can cite the essay & book if anyone's interested.)

    Don't think it's just misguided christian hatred because there were people who were against the Jewish people long before Jesus was ever born.

    Prejudice is illogical and has no place in today's society. And those who claim to be Christians who are against the Jews need to remember that Jesus is a Jew and the Jewish people are still God's chosen people so when we show hatred we are going against God's word.
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    Re: I'm Not Onasander

    Postby Nekhrun » 28 Jan 2012 16:53

    Eyes High wrote:Don't think it's just misguided christian hatred because there were people who were against the Jewish people long before Jesus was ever born.

    Is there any record of this that isn't from a Jewish source? In their own stories, pre-Christianity they were a pretty brutal people who wiped out their enemies.

    Is there even a non-Jewish source that proves they were even slaves in Egypt?

    All I know about their history is from the Old Testament, and I don't buy any of that without a secondary source since my conversion.


    Edit: my point in asking those questions is that if there is no other evidence for those claims than hatred of the Jews almost certainly stems from Christian tradition. Well, that and how the Israelis treat the Palestinians now and how they assassinate private citizens in other countries.
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    Re: I'm Not Onasander

    Postby Eyes High » 29 Jan 2012 15:15

    Nekhrun wrote:
    Eyes High wrote:Don't think it's just misguided christian hatred because there were people who were against the Jewish people long before Jesus was ever born.

    Is there any record of this that isn't from a Jewish source? In their own stories, pre-Christianity they were a pretty brutal people who wiped out their enemies.

    Is there even a non-Jewish source that proves they were even slaves in Egypt?

    All I know about their history is from the Old Testament, and I don't buy any of that without a secondary source since my conversion.


    Edit: my point in asking those questions is that if there is no other evidence for those claims than hatred of the Jews almost certainly stems from Christian tradition. Well, that and how the Israelis treat the Palestinians now and how they assassinate private citizens in other countries.

    I honestly do not know, but let's think of it this way... those who are doing the oppressing rarely write about the incidents where they are the oppressors. All throwout history, man has wanted to present himself in the best light possible.

    There was a LOT of wrong done by the early church but they made it out that they were doing the "work of God" and didn't want to admit they were just acting out on their own personal hatreds. So it would only be from those wronged that we would find out about the wrongs-- in a majority of the cases.
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    Re: I'm Not Onasander

    Postby JustSomeGuy » 29 Jan 2012 17:21

    Wow. I liked that.
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    Re: I'm Not Onasander

    Postby JustSomeGuy » 29 Jan 2012 17:22

    :drool:
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    Re: I'm Not Onasander

    Postby JustSomeGuy » 29 Jan 2012 17:23

    That was just me drooling. I didn't mean anything by it.
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    Re: I'm Not Onasander

    Postby Nekhrun » 29 Jan 2012 18:13

    Eyes High wrote:There was a LOT of wrong done by the early church but they made it out that they were doing the "work of God" and didn't want to admit they were just acting out on their own personal hatreds.

    The current church only exists because of the early church. It's all built upon sickness and prejudice.
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    Re: I'm Not Onasander

    Postby Eyes High » 29 Jan 2012 23:49

    Nekhrun wrote:
    Eyes High wrote:There was a LOT of wrong done by the early church but they made it out that they were doing the "work of God" and didn't want to admit they were just acting out on their own personal hatreds.

    The current church only exists because of the early church. It's all built upon sickness and prejudice.

    Which is why I choose love. :romance-kisscheek:
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    Re: I'm Not Onasander

    Postby SandChigger » 30 Jan 2012 10:17

    It's the victors and the whiners who write history books. Everyone else is too busy just getting on with it. :roll:

    Here's some extract from a fun little screed by Luther. The essay I mentioned earlier draws a comparison between Luther's seven suggestions at the end and what happened in Germany in the 30s & 40s.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... _Jews.html
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