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    Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby LINFANG » 10 Nov 2011 12:46

    Hello Everyone!

    I been a Dune fan of the Movies for years and read the first 1/2 of the book, in needing to finish it, but I have one pressing question I have been trying to search of but can't locate any solid reading material, and likely asked a thousand times (yes I searched the forum a bit) and will likely get flamed because I am a noob but here we go.

    Who or what is Maud'Dib? All I can follow is that he was a priest long before Muad' Dib came about. The book mentions the title Maud'Dib, so does the Dune miniseries. (disk 2 first title) I really do not know why the names are so very simular. You would think in a fictional universe you would try to seperate things a bit more.
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    Re: Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby Freakzilla » 10 Nov 2011 13:04

    Keep reading... if we tell you it will just spoil it.
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    Re: Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby Freakzilla » 10 Nov 2011 13:09

    Hell, you should have been able to gather that much from the movie.

    Muad'dib is the Fremen name Paul Atreides chose for himself.

    It is also the name of the kangaroo mouse of Arrakis for which there is a constelation of stars, the tail pointing north.

    Therefore he is "the one who points the way".

    Oh yeah...

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    Re: Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby Freakzilla » 10 Nov 2011 13:11

    He looked up, staring across the green-lighted tent at the inbred, patrician
    lines of her face. "Yes," he said. "That's one of the ways." He nodded. "Yes.
    They'll call me . . . Muad'Dib, 'The One Who Points the Way.' Yes . . . that's
    what they'll call me."

    ...


    "Now, what name of manhood do you choose for us to call you openly?" Stilgar
    asked.
    Paul glanced at his mother, back to Stilgar. Bits and pieces of this moment
    registered on his prescient memory, but he felt the differences as though they
    were physical, a pressure forcing him through the narrow door of the present.
    "How do you call among you the little mouse, the mouse that jumps?" Paul
    asked, remembering the pop-hop of motion at Tuono Basin. He illustrated with one
    hand.
    A chuckle sounded through the troop.
    "We call that one Muad'Dib," Stilgar said.
    Jessica gasped. It was the name Paul had told her, saying that the Fremen
    would accept them and call him thus. She felt a sudden fear of her son and for
    him.
    Paul swallowed. He felt that he played a part already played over countless
    times in his mind . . . yet . . . there were differences. He could see himself
    perched on a dizzying summit, having experienced much and possessed of a
    profound store of knowledge, but all around him was abyss.
    And again he remembered the vision of fanatic legions following the green
    and black banner of the Atreides, pillaging and burning across the universe in
    the name of their prophet Muad'Dib.
    That must not happen, he told himself.
    "Is that the name you wish, Muad'Dib?" Stilgar asked.
    "I am an Atreides," Paul whispered, and then louder: "It's not right that I
    give up entirely the name my father gave me. Could I be known among you as Paul-
    Muad'Dib?"
    "You are Paul-Muad'Dib," Stilgar said.
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    Re: Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby Freakzilla » 10 Nov 2011 13:14

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    Re: Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby LINFANG » 10 Nov 2011 13:17

    Thanks for the prompt replies guys. My real question is who is Maud'Dib? not Muad'Dib. These are two different names.
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    Re: Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby Eyes High » 10 Nov 2011 13:22

    LINFANG wrote:Thanks for the prompt replies guys. My real question is who is Maud'Dib? not Muad'Dib. These are two different names.

    My first guess would be it is just a typo but these guys have way more knowledge than I.
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    Re: Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby Freakzilla » 10 Nov 2011 13:29

    LINFANG wrote:Thanks for the prompt replies guys.


    I exist only to serve.

    LINFANG wrote:My real question is who is Maud'Dib? not Muad'Dib. These are two different names.


    It is a typo. The correct spelling is muad'dib.


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    Re: Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby LINFANG » 10 Nov 2011 13:37

    Wow, so the book and the movie both messed this up? Kinda funny. I first confused "Mahdi" and "Maud'Dib" when watching the mini series. I turned on closed caption and read the part. I thought since I did not know a lot of the history and future of Dune that I was missing out on part of the Lore. Every time I searched "Maud'Dib" It flips over to "Muad'Dib" I kept running in circles. :roll:
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    Re: Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby Freakzilla » 10 Nov 2011 13:45

    "Maud'Dib" isn't used in the copy of Dune I have, is that a recent edition?

    The movie got so much wrong that poor spelling came as no suprise.
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    Re: Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby Freakzilla » 10 Nov 2011 13:46

    I seem to remember other members talking about the spelling being wrong somewhere, is it the new Dune hardback?

    You see, Frank Herbert's family has sold out his legacy for a few royalty checks. They don't care about quality.
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    Re: Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby LINFANG » 10 Nov 2011 13:51

    Yep, the hard cover, 1st edition, found on these forums
    1965. $5.95 (blue boards) (Philadelphia, Toronto Ambassador Books). Only first edition stated, with no indication of the printing, this could be a spelling error in Muad'Dib (Maud'Dib) title of 2nd part of novel (but according to Fullerton Archives that was a working title of Dune). This 'error' is in all 9 printings (BCE has the correct version though). Grey endpapers (only in 1st printing), 4 lines on the bottom of back flap (only in 1st). No ISBN number.

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    Re: Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby Freakzilla » 10 Nov 2011 14:10

    No wonder I haven't seen it, it's a first edition. :cry:
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    Re: Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby LINFANG » 10 Nov 2011 14:16

    If you own the Dune Mini series DVD it's on there too. Put in Disc 2. press play and a black and white title Maud'Dib
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    Re: Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby Freakzilla » 10 Nov 2011 14:16

    Wait a minute... you haven't even read the whole book and you bought a first edition?

    I like your enthusiasm.

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    Re: Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby LINFANG » 10 Nov 2011 14:26

    No like I said, I did a forum search before asking a question on here, I found that in my finding. I own the paperback.
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    Re: Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby Freakzilla » 10 Nov 2011 14:33

    It's not like that in the paperback, right?
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    Re: Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby SandRider » 10 Nov 2011 14:41

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    now, had you dropped in here with a bunch of half-cocked horseshit about "Maud'dib" & tried to
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    Re: Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 10 Nov 2011 15:13

    This never came up for me, I never noticed a mis-spelling in any of the books or movies (in the movies I don't recall seeing it written down anyways!).
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    Re: Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby Freakzilla » 10 Nov 2011 15:22

    A Thing of Eternity wrote:This never came up for me, I never noticed a mis-spelling in any of the books or movies (in the movies I don't recall seeing it written down anyways!).


    (I think he said it was in the subtitles.)
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    Re: Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 10 Nov 2011 15:29

    Freakzilla wrote:
    A Thing of Eternity wrote:This never came up for me, I never noticed a mis-spelling in any of the books or movies (in the movies I don't recall seeing it written down anyways!).


    (I think he said it was in the subtitles.)


    Ah. I would think context would have just made it pretty clear that it was a typo anyways, but I guess I can see how that could be confusing.
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    Re: Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby Serkanner » 10 Nov 2011 17:31

    The first edition indeed has the typo, but I haven't seen it elsewhere but by people who can not spell Muad'Dib correctly ... or Giedi Prime for that matter.
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    Re: Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby Dravition » 10 Nov 2011 19:56

    "Mahdi: in the Fremen messianic legend, "The One Who Will Lead Us to Paradise."

    Check the back of your book for appendices. I'm not sure if 1st Ed. has one, but if it does: refer to as needed. My copy has the following:

    -Appendix I: The Ecology of Dune
    -Appendix II: The religion of Dune
    -Appendix III: Report on Bene Gesserit Motives and Purposes
    -Appendix IV: The Almanak en-Ashraf (selected excerpts of the noble houses)
    -Terminology of the Imperium (Glossary)
    -Map

    Hope you find what you seek :)
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    Re: Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby Omphalos » 10 Nov 2011 20:55

    Dravition wrote:"Mahdi: in the Fremen messianic legend, "The One Who Will Lead Us to Paradise."

    Check the back of your book for appendices. I'm not sure if 1st Ed. has one, but if it does: refer to as needed. My copy has the following:

    -Appendix I: The Ecology of Dune
    -Appendix II: The religion of Dune
    -Appendix III: Report on Bene Gesserit Motives and Purposes
    -Appendix IV: The Almanak en-Ashraf (selected excerpts of the noble houses)
    -Terminology of the Imperium (Glossary)
    -Map

    Hope you find what you seek :)


    If its true first edition then the glossary will be in front of the text of the novel.
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    Re: Hello, I'm new and have a question.

    Postby D Pope » 11 Nov 2011 01:15

    I thought Mahdi was Arabic for Savior, or some equivilent.

    I knew a fellow named Mahdi, nice guy, from the UAE.
    He seemed to have much more integrity than his Saudi buddies.
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