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    hello and all that crap

    Postby insidiom » 19 Oct 2009 11:42

    dune fan since 1995 after watching the david lynch film and reading the first novel in paperback.
    favorite book is god emperor, hands-down and there are few books written in any genre that compare, IMO.
    ive read all the prequels, stopping at the newest "heroes" books and am quite aware of the major differences.

    im also formerly of the KJASF group. i joined up hoping to discuss the books more and get more insight as to
    why the newer books were written as they were. i just didnt understand the lack of character development and
    the endless 3rd person narrative of every single nuance. that group really is just a street team for KJA and his other non-dune projects.
    im not into being a free publicity engine for anyone, despite any "rewards" showered upon me.

    ive never been a KJA fan because i didnt know who he was before the prequels, so i dont have any bias or emotional attachment.
    ive always made the allowance that he is nothing close to FH, so i never really looked at the details of the books, just the story.
    i like the prequels. very much like how pee-wee liked dotty. i just dont want to dig too much into all those inconsistencies because i dont
    have many sci fi loves left that havent been wrecked to shit by greedy people. its just easier for me to turn a blind eye to most of it
    than to become bitter.

    BTW--im not a mole for that group, nor am megaphone for KJA. he has plenty of other fans to do that.
    also, if anyone has questions concerning KJASF, id be happy to oblige.

    sandchigger/RC has called out my reviews on amazon for the most obvious reasons and i respect his passion for FHs works and the need to call
    out obvious issues with canon and consistency. i am also more than happy to discuss my intentions regarding those reviews as well. i must also
    applaud his fine work in angering so many people who insist on being "nice" all the time. i am an avid fan of making people angry.

    ive joined this group to hear/read others' critical analysis of the new vs old. im not here to bash KJA. my interactions with him have been
    positive and i dont have anything negative to say about him personally. that being said, i have no objection to criticizing his writing or his
    business practices.

    no, my shift key is not broken.
    "...no one. but the water tastes really bad; like ass and dirt.
    i dont suggest that anybody drink the water from their suits. it tastes really bad."
    "that it does."

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    Re: hello and all that crap

    Postby SandRider » 19 Oct 2009 12:21


    Welcome. Your Water is Ours.
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    Re: hello and all that crap

    Postby Hunchback Jack » 19 Oct 2009 12:41

    Welcome. You'll find lots of speculation here about why the new books are the way they are.

    You'll also find lots of discussions about Dune.

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    Re: hello and all that crap

    Postby TheDukester » 19 Oct 2009 12:55

    insidiom wrote:that group really is just a street team for KJA and his other non-dune projects.

    Excellent description. Have SandRider give you a cookie.

    Also, welcome.
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    Re: hello and all that crap

    Postby Eyes High » 19 Oct 2009 13:01

    Welcome and look forward to getting to know you better.
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    Re: hello and all that crap

    Postby DuneFishUK » 19 Oct 2009 13:43

    welcome :)
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    Re: hello and all that crap

    Postby Mandy » 19 Oct 2009 13:58

    Hello insidiom.
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    Re: hello and all that crap

    Postby A Thing of Eternity » 19 Oct 2009 14:00

    Welcome. It's good to see more people here who can criticise the new books without having a personal vendetta against KJA (which many of us do). Our interactions with the HLP and KJA have not been positive, so I'm glad you've had better luck - though, if you started mentioning (to them, not us) inconsistancies and flaws in the new books' writing, I would bet that your positive experiences with them would quickly come to an end. They refuse to admit even the most obvious mistake, and lash out very quickly when backed into a logical corner.

    Hopefully you find what you're looking for here. I'd suggest the Prequels sub forum, it has most of our discussion on what exactly are the flaws/inconsistancies with every single new book, as well as a recapping of the "authors'" excuses for those errors.

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    Re: hello and all that crap

    Postby Freakzilla » 19 Oct 2009 14:59

    Great to have you!
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    Re: hello and all that crap

    Postby inhuien » 19 Oct 2009 15:38

    hihihi insidiom :)
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    Re: hello and all that crap

    Postby Seraphan » 19 Oct 2009 15:56

    Welcome, twice welcome.
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    Re: hello and all that crap

    Postby trang » 19 Oct 2009 16:02

    Well Met and Welcome, grab a spice beer and join in the fun!
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    Re: hello and all that crap

    Postby Sandwurm88 » 19 Oct 2009 16:10

    Hello.
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    Re: hello and all that crap

    Postby Harq al Ada » 19 Oct 2009 17:10

    Welcome! I am new as well but I don't like the prequels. It seems like a fairly fun and informative group so far.
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    Re: hello and all that crap

    Postby Tleszer » 19 Oct 2009 17:45

    Welcome!
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    Re: hello and all that crap

    Postby SandChigger » 19 Oct 2009 18:32

    insidiom wrote:no, my shift key is not broken.

    ZING!! :lol:

    Achlan wasachlan fi sietchna! Welcome and doubly welcome to our sietch! :)

    (Repetitive, perhaps, but I reckon you've built up an immunity to repetition. ;) )

    i am an avid fan of making people angry.

    Well, coming and joining us here is guaranteed to do just that. Just wait till Pestie's next drive-by. :lol:
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    Re: hello and all that crap

    Postby Omphalos » 19 Oct 2009 18:43

    Helllloooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I'd like to hear some KJASF dirt. Like what kind of bs they asked you to do to promote KJA's books, and what incentives they offered.

    And especially if others over there brag about making waves here.
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    Re: hello and all that crap

    Postby SandRider » 19 Oct 2009 19:09

    I was thinking this the other day -
    we ain't much of an internet terrorist organization, huh ?

    if you listen to the HLP and the KJA Amazombies, we're just over-running teh webz
    with our hate, bile, and nefarious plots ....

    but we still don't have a sockpuppet in Keith's Treehouse,
    and apparently, can't be bothered ....

    the one guy who was in, a "professional KJA-hater", maintainer of a hate-blagh
    focused solely on The Comb-Over and so on, not only did not exploit the
    registration loophole, but actually pointed it out to them.
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    Re: hello and all that crap

    Postby SandChigger » 19 Oct 2009 22:35

    Yeah, some "terrorist" I am, huh? :roll:

    :lol:
    I have heard of only one mistake that doesn’t have an explanation for a careful reader...with an open mind. (And, no, I’m not going to tell you what it is!) —KJA

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    Re: hello and all that crap

    Postby insidiom » 20 Oct 2009 00:09

    i am an avid fan of making people angry.

    Well, coming and joining us here is guaranteed to do just that. Just wait till Pestie's next drive-by. :lol:[/quote]

    thats why i do my best to be objective. it pisses off my friends, especially when it comes to politics. no one likes a moderate libertarian during a political discussion.

    i dont agree with harassing anyone or wishing violence on them. ill draw the line there. while i do question what some people say on this forum, i dont consider my interacting with them to be condoning what they do or say. im here to talk about the nuances of the dune stories that i dont have the time to dig out on my own. like anyone on this forum, if anyone on that side has a bone to pick with me they can come pick it. i showed everyone on that forum respect and decency and even did my part to promote products and events (as if i were in a street team). the reviews portion was the only thing that slowed me down (aside from having to be mindful of everyone's feelings). ultimately, i dont feel as if i have broken some special forces code. i am my own person and i like an honest to goodness debate sometimes. even if that debate gets heated. passion is a good thing.
    "...no one. but the water tastes really bad; like ass and dirt.
    i dont suggest that anybody drink the water from their suits. it tastes really bad."
    "that it does."

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    Re: hello and all that crap

    Postby SandChigger » 20 Oct 2009 03:27

    I'm not sure everyone agrees it's a good thing in these PC-addled, let's-play-nice-nice days. ;)


    I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on the "wishing violence on someone" thing; I still really want the universe to bounce a little space rock off someone's head. :)
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    Re: hello and all that crap

    Postby insidiom » 20 Oct 2009 08:03

    SandChigger wrote:I'm not sure everyone agrees it's a good thing in these PC-addled, let's-play-nice-nice days. ;)


    I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on the "wishing violence on someone" thing; I still really want the universe to bounce a little space rock off someone's head. :)


    when worded that way, it reminds me of jerry dropping anvils on tom's head. :lol:
    "...no one. but the water tastes really bad; like ass and dirt.
    i dont suggest that anybody drink the water from their suits. it tastes really bad."
    "that it does."

    "A man is a fool not to put everything he has, at any given moment, into what he is creating."--FH


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    Re: hello and all that crap

    Postby SandChigger » 20 Oct 2009 10:24

    :D

    Nice image, but it's a little too clear who the acting agent is. I want it to be a traditional Act of God. ;)
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    Re: hello and all that crap

    Postby SadisticCynic » 20 Oct 2009 11:16

    SandChigger wrote::D

    Nice image, but it's a little too clear who the acting agent is. I want it to be a traditional Act of God. ;)


    Because they can't claim insurance? :lol:
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    Re: hello and all that crap

    Postby insidiom » 20 Oct 2009 11:25

    SadisticCynic wrote:
    Because they can't claim insurance? :lol:


    insurance against god? the deductible would be brutal.
    "...no one. but the water tastes really bad; like ass and dirt.
    i dont suggest that anybody drink the water from their suits. it tastes really bad."
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