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Norma-Sue Cenva

Posted: 06 Feb 2015 20:06
by JasonJD48
I have a theory that Norma Cenva is essentially a Mary Sue representation of Brian himself. While it has been a while since I read the prequels and I have no inclination to read them again, my recollection is that Norma was an outcast among her family who is finally recognized by Holtzmann and then later becomes a DEM at the end of the Legends prequels and in Hunters/Sandworms. I think Brian was putting his own feelings of rejection into the character and then wish-fulfilling by raising her up the essentially the supreme being of his version of the Duniverse.

Thoughts?

Re: Norma-Sue Cenva

Posted: 08 Feb 2015 03:40
by inhuien
No thoughts, sorry. The prequels don't inspire that in me. However so Norma Cenva was the DEM in Shunters always thought it was that Idaho chap.

Re: Norma-Sue Cenva

Posted: 08 Feb 2015 03:49
by JasonJD48
inhuien wrote:No thoughts, sorry. The prequels don't inspire that in me. However so Norma Cenva was the DEM in Shunters always thought it was that Idaho chap.


I haven't read it either, but what I've been told is that she eliminates the machine threat by magically teleporting them to another dimension. I did read the House and BJ prequels though. That said, I do have to wonder why a son would trash his father's legacy so badly. My father and I were estranged as well and I have a lot of anger to this day for him (he passed a few years ago), but I wouldn't even do what Brian has done to Frank.

Re: Norma-Sue Cenva

Posted: 08 Feb 2015 03:55
by inhuien
JasonJD48 wrote:
inhuien wrote:No thoughts, sorry. The prequels don't inspire that in me. However so Norma Cenva was the DEM in Shunters always thought it was that Idaho chap.


I haven't read it either, but what I've been told is that she eliminates the machine threat by magically teleporting them to another dimension. I did read the House and BJ prequels though. That said, I do have to wonder why a son would trash his father's legacy so badly. My father and I were estranged as well and I have a lot of anger to this day for him (he passed a few years ago), but I wouldn't even do what Brian has done to Frank.

Has Brian really done Frank any harm? I don't think so.

Re: Norma-Sue Cenva

Posted: 08 Feb 2015 04:01
by JasonJD48
inhuien wrote:
JasonJD48 wrote:
inhuien wrote:No thoughts, sorry. The prequels don't inspire that in me. However so Norma Cenva was the DEM in Shunters always thought it was that Idaho chap.


I haven't read it either, but what I've been told is that she eliminates the machine threat by magically teleporting them to another dimension. I did read the House and BJ prequels though. That said, I do have to wonder why a son would trash his father's legacy so badly. My father and I were estranged as well and I have a lot of anger to this day for him (he passed a few years ago), but I wouldn't even do what Brian has done to Frank.

Has Brian really done Frank any harm? I don't think so.


I think if people hear 'Dune' and think of the hacks and not Frank's work, or equalize the two, then I think that does hurt his legacy. Frank is dead and he may not have to see it, but I think that's still horrible. And the ultimate insult of Brian demoting 'Dune' to some in-universe propaganda story to justify their own failures at consistency, how scummy can one person get? Sorry, to me he's betrayed his father.

Re: Norma-Sue Cenva

Posted: 11 Feb 2015 13:33
by Omphalos
Brian has done terrible harm to his father. Even we occasionally confuse elemnts of nu-Dune with classic Dune. Imagine what is going on out there in the real world, where I would bet that the average fan cannot keep the elements seperate in his or her mind. I think Frank would call that "violence done to his legacy," or words to that effect.

Re: Norma-Sue Cenva

Posted: 11 Feb 2015 13:59
by Freakzilla
Omphalos wrote:Brian has done terrible harm to his father. Even we occasionally confuse elemnts of nu-Dune with classic Dune. Imagine what is going on out there in the real world, where I would bet that the average fan cannot keep the elements seperate in his or her mind. I think Frank would call that "violence done to his legacy," or words to that effect.


...or stealing his energy. :P

Re: Norma-Sue Cenva

Posted: 12 Feb 2015 05:04
by lotek
I think I would have held a lesser grudge had he done this on his own, but inviting the Notorious H.A.C.K. to the party was in my eyes the worse sin ever.
It could be argued it was his father, so fair enough he had some kind of right to use the legacy to, well, make money and live to put it bluntly.
But kjhackerson is nothing more than an preteen mind with delusions of grandeur that has been given the means to impose his drool on yet another franchise (Star Wars knows that only too well, although to be fair, Lucas himself has done his share of raping)

And he also put his dirty paws on Batman!
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But I digress, don't we all?

Norma, Norma...
It's a bit vague now, it's like the ugly duckling meets Weird Science from what I remember.
Once again, we reach into the fantasies of prepubescent teens with a grown in all directions man's body.

Re: Norma-Sue Cenva

Posted: 13 Feb 2015 13:30
by D Pope
Norma Rae Cenva, fighting for both navigators and Houses Minor rights, appearing soon in Dune:Union.

When's the next 'write like hacks' contest?

Re: Norma-Sue Cenva

Posted: 13 Feb 2015 19:02
by JasonJD48
D Pope wrote:When's the next 'write like hacks' contest?


I'd certainly like to participate in one, I wasn't a member here for the first one.

Re: Norma-Sue Cenva

Posted: 14 Feb 2015 12:05
by Freakzilla
Since Sandchigger isn't around regularly, who wants to volunteer to run it?

Re: Norma-Sue Cenva

Posted: 15 Feb 2015 15:27
by JasonJD48
Freakzilla wrote:Since Sandchigger isn't around regularly, who wants to volunteer to run it?


I would volunteer, except I'd also want to participate, and that would be an obvious conflict of interest. Though, worst case scenario, I could just submit my story for exhibition and not put it up for voting to avoid said conflict, if no one else steps up.

Re: Norma-Sue Cenva

Posted: 15 Feb 2015 21:46
by Jodorowsky's Acolyte
JasonJD48 wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:Since Sandchigger isn't around regularly, who wants to volunteer to run it?


I would volunteer, except I'd also want to participate, and that would be an obvious conflict of interest. Though, worst case scenario, I could just submit my story for exhibition and not put it up for voting to avoid said conflict, if no one else steps up.


I just came up with a possible parody story concept, for the amusement of my brethren.

"Stuff Going on in Dune
Written by the 7th Descendant of Brian and Kevin, Toby Anderson Herbert

A ghola of Paul Atreides has been made, but after reviving his memories, the ghola turns out to be defective and is considered to be of no use to the secret brotherhood of the Male Bene Gesserit Brotherhood.
However, the Paul ghola has the ability to cough up Super Super Spice concentrate and Ultra Water of Life. He also developed the ability to make love like a sandworm, which draws many women of Fremen descent to him. His abilities make him the target for new foes: a cyborg Reverend Mother with a split-second reproductive system, a 9th Stage Guild Navigator who looks like Mr. Magoo, and a super obese floating nobleman of the House Virkelig Virkelig Dårlig Harkonnen. Will the ghola claim his destiny in becoming a Mega Ultra Kwisatz Haderach, or will he fail miserably and waste readers' time in the process? Find out in this almost exciting and nearly bestselling adventure!"

In order to fit the guidelines of a possible contest, I'd probably to make this closer to the writing style and word count of BH+KJA in order to properly parody them. I especially want to a parody afterward in the vein of the afterwards from Dune: House Atreides and This is Spinal Tap.

Re: Norma-Sue Cenva

Posted: 09 Jan 2016 14:07
by chanilover
I can't wait for Brian's version of Mommie Dearest. Actually, I can wait

Re: Norma-Sue Cenva

Posted: 11 Jan 2016 13:38
by Freakzilla
chanilover wrote:I can't wait for Brian's version of Mommie Dearest. Actually, I can wait


That's pretty much what Dreamer of Dune was. Daddy Dearest.

Re: Norma-Sue Cenva

Posted: 12 Jan 2016 16:13
by Serkanner
Freakzilla wrote:
chanilover wrote:I can't wait for Brian's version of Mommie Dearest. Actually, I can wait


That's pretty much what Dreamer of Dune was. Daddy Dearest.


Correct ... and I quote BH one more time from this atrocity: the boat his daddy bought was named Caladan after "the birthworld of Paul Atreides"

Re: Norma-Sue Cenva

Posted: 12 Jan 2016 16:42
by chanilover
Lol it almost sounds like it could be worth reading.

Re: Norma-Sue Cenva

Posted: 13 Jan 2016 06:07
by Serkanner
chanilover wrote:Lol it almost sounds like it could be worth reading.


It really isn't. I have read 6 of the atrocities by the hack and bh, but the biography is written even worse than those. I think it is actually the worst written book I have ever read.

Re: Norma-Sue Cenva

Posted: 13 Jan 2016 07:12
by Freakzilla
Serkanner wrote:
chanilover wrote:Lol it almost sounds like it could be worth reading.


It really isn't. I have read 6 of the atrocities by the hack and bh, but the biography is written even worse than those. I think it is actually the worst written book I have ever read.


If you're interested in FH's private life it's somewhat interesting but it's obviously a very jaded point of view.

Re: Norma-Sue Cenva

Posted: 13 Jan 2016 18:38
by Omphalos
chanilover wrote:Lol it almost sounds like it could be worth reading.


If someone smart wrote it with him he could have passed off the other guy's work as his critique. Instead he did it himself and it was pretty much a family history tinged with Brian's bitching about his dad.

Re: Norma-Sue Cenva

Posted: 01 Feb 2016 04:21
by SandRider
worth the read for the historical context.

as entertainment, or for "enlightenment", no.
just no.

Re: Norma-Sue Cenva

Posted: 12 Feb 2016 05:43
by lotek
I read Dreamer, I thought fanfic.