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Dune Prequels Rip Off the Dune Encyclopedia.

Postby zacher2005 » 20 Sep 2014 13:08

I finally am reading the Dune Encyclopedia and am reading the "ARRAKIS, Ecological Transformation of" section, and it's the same story of Pardot Kines as used the book written by the hacks.

Didn't they say the DE isn't cannon though?

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Re: Dune Prequels Rip Off the Dune Encyclopedia.

Postby Freakzilla » 20 Sep 2014 15:29

zacher2005 wrote:I finally am reading the Dune Encyclopedia and am reading the "ARRAKIS, Ecological Transformation of" section, and it's the same story of Pardot Kines as used the book written by the hacks.

Didn't they say the DE isn't cannon though?


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Re: Dune Prequels Rip Off the Dune Encyclopedia.

Postby Naïve mind » 21 Sep 2014 09:20

zacher2005 wrote:I finally am reading the Dune Encyclopedia and am reading the "ARRAKIS, Ecological Transformation of" section, and it's the same story of Pardot Kines as used the book written by the hacks.


Possibly it came from Appendix I, the Ecology of Dune

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Re: Dune Prequels Rip Off the Dune Encyclopedia.

Postby Omphalos » 22 Sep 2014 10:58

They stole a lot from McNelly et al.

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Re: Dune Prequels Rip Off the Dune Encyclopedia.

Postby Naib » 22 Sep 2014 14:41

I always got the sense that they wrote their stuff after watching 90210 or Party of Five and used that as their starting point.

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Re: Dune Prequels Rip Off the Dune Encyclopedia.

Postby Sardaukar Capt » 05 Oct 2014 18:14

DE is basically curated fan fiction and McDune is the drivel that would have been left on the cutting room floor :)

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Keith and Bo Bo actually authored under pseudonyms some of the fan-fic that McNelly chose to leave out of DE because it was crap even for fan-fic and the Hacks just reused it once they conned the demon spawns of Frank and Bev into thinking they could turn Dune into the next Star Wars type cash cow.
The name Atreides was also consciously chosen. It is the family name of Agamemnon. Says Herbert, "I wanted a sense of monumental aristocracy, but with tragedy hanging over them--and in our culture, Agamemnon personifies that."
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Ghanima said. "We Atreides go back to Agamemnon..."
Distracted, Irulan asked: "Who's Agamemnon?"

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Re: Dune Prequels Rip Off the Dune Encyclopedia.

Postby lotek » 06 Oct 2014 08:47

Floor sweepings, that's what my gran used to call cheap tea bags.
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Re: Dune Prequels Rip Off the Dune Encyclopedia.

Postby Sardaukar Capt » 06 Oct 2014 12:07

lotek wrote:Floor sweepings, that's what my gran used to call cheap tea bags.


That brings to mind all the wonderful Tea Bagging metaphors involving tehkja and Bo Bo and what they are doing to Frank's legacy and every member of the HLP except the HLP are lapping up each pube in the hopes there is a bag of cash dangling like a dingleberry from Mr Star Wars novel himself.
The name Atreides was also consciously chosen. It is the family name of Agamemnon. Says Herbert, "I wanted a sense of monumental aristocracy, but with tragedy hanging over them--and in our culture, Agamemnon personifies that."
Frank Herbert by Tim O'Reilly
http://tim.oreilly.com/herbert/

Ghanima said. "We Atreides go back to Agamemnon..."
Distracted, Irulan asked: "Who's Agamemnon?"

Children of Dune by Frank Herbert

WTF? A BG forgets the Titans?! :)

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Re: Dune Prequels Rip Off the Dune Encyclopedia.

Postby lotek » 07 Oct 2014 05:18

I knew this bag wouldn't be left to dangle too long ^^
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Re: Dune Prequels Rip Off the Dune Encyclopedia.

Postby JasonJD48 » 05 Feb 2015 01:37

Sardaukar Capt wrote:DE is basically curated fan fiction and McDune is the drivel that would have been left on the cutting room floor :)

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Keith and Bo Bo actually authored under pseudonyms some of the fan-fic that McNelly chose to leave out of DE because it was crap even for fan-fic and the Hacks just reused it once they conned the demon spawns of Frank and Bev into thinking they could turn Dune into the next Star Wars type cash cow.


I wouldn't call the DE a fan fiction, McNelly was close to Frank and had many discussions with him about the material going into the DE, Frank himself sanctioned it, while reserving the right to contradict it in future works. I personally look to it as secondary canon where there's gaps in the originals as long as the DE doesn't contradict anything in the originals.
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