New McDune? (TBA January)

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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby Jodorowsky's Acolyte » 22 Dec 2012 00:57

DuneFishUK wrote:
"I ended up writing 220,000 words—over 900 draft pages—in 47 days. My personal best."


It's alright, I imagine he'll edit it down into a stream-lined, tight, well-paced 300 page novel...

..ahahahahah.. no, it's finished now. Just correct some of the transcription errors and it's ready.


The best I've done was recently write a 22-page grad course thesis in four days, and only one day and a quarter, with help, to edit it. It took more thought, organization, and critical sources to write that than I think the Pulp Sci-Fi Man has done with the new Dune-ish books.

Maybe what KJA and BH need is a high-brow sci-fi editor? Or at least someone from the outside who they don't feel too threatened to get standardized help from?
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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby lotek » 22 Dec 2012 04:36

Tehkja doesn't need help, outside or inside, tehkja diarrheas polished turds of prose out of his thing into his thing.
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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby Nekhrun » 22 Dec 2012 10:59

Can you imagine an actual editor having to read through kja's writing?
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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby D Pope » 22 Dec 2012 12:09

Nekhrun wrote:Can you imagine an actual editor having to read through kja's writing?

I think he's tried it and didn't like the result. :lol:
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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby Ampoliros » 22 Dec 2012 13:40

Nekhrun wrote:Can you imagine an actual editor having to read through kja's writing?



we need a like button.

my response was going to be the professional editor suggesting to TOR that they find a completely different author and that it wouldn't be ethical for them to be involved with the project without labeling it young adult fiction.


...then again, now that I think about it, being an editor there must be the easiest job in the world.
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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby Ampoliros » 29 Dec 2012 02:25

/facepalm

I mean I can do a search at work for upcoming titles...

Pretty sure the announcement is for this, coming out in April:

http://www.amazon.com/Hellhole-Awakening-Hell-Hole-Trilogy/dp/0765322706

It's by a Herbert! Its from all their floor scraps of unusable Dune ideas!

It's probably time to return to THE SMELLHOLE CHRONICLES!
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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby Naïve mind » 29 Dec 2012 05:52

Shouldn't we wish them the best of luck establishing a successful sci-fi universe all their own?

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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby Ampoliros » 29 Dec 2012 13:32

Yes, but...

Hellhole is literally the scraps they don't put in their Dune books.

I would love for them to come up with something they can occupy there time with other than Dune. (I even have a tin-foil hat theory that Brian agreed to do Hellhole in order to do less Dune)

We are however talking about Kevin "from his ass to print in 11 parsecs" Anderson. No way in hell is he letting go of Dune, and he's more than happy to write more and more and more. He'll just do it faster, and cut the editing away.
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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby Naïve mind » 30 Dec 2012 05:40

But they probably get more money per Hellhole book sold; Kevin because he's one of the original (and therefore not replaceable) authors, Brian because he doesn't have to split the royalties with the rest of the Herbert family.

If Hellhole books start outselling new Dune books in absolute numbers (and I admit they probably won't), it makes no financial sense for either of them to spend their time on Dune when they could be writing more Hellhole-spinoffs; their ideas and plots are probably fairly interchangeable.

So, I think we should start recommending 'Hellhole' to everyone we know ...

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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby Bronso » 31 Dec 2012 15:02

Naïve mind wrote:So, I think we should start recommending 'Hellhole' to everyone we know ...


Hopefully not anyone you actually like though.
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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby Robspierre » 31 Dec 2012 21:55

I seriously doubt Hellhole has earned out it's advance, it is very possible they have yet to earn royalties from it.

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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby Naïve mind » 01 Jan 2013 11:17

Bronso wrote:
Naïve mind wrote:So, I think we should start recommending 'Hellhole' to everyone we know ...


Hopefully not anyone you actually like though.


I'm sure that for some people, there's no overlap between those two groups :)

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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby Bronso » 03 Jan 2013 11:44

Naïve mind wrote:
Bronso wrote:
Naïve mind wrote:So, I think we should start recommending 'Hellhole' to everyone we know ...


Hopefully not anyone you actually like though.


I'm sure that for some people, there's no overlap between those two groups :)


Ahh, so something like this :)

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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby SandChigger » 19 Jan 2013 11:58

Bronso wrote:Ahh, so something like this :)

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:lol: Nice.

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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby Hunchback Jack » 20 Jan 2013 22:05

I'm not sure I understand the graph. Are you using "know" in the Biblical sense?

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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby SandChigger » 20 Jan 2013 22:23

Bless you. :D

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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby trang » 09 Mar 2013 19:21

The Dune Saga is a Facebook page ran by Byron Merritt and company, but is mostly an advertisement page for KJA... it is astoundingly stupid. If you have time check it out, KJA has running posts of quotes from Mentats of Dune, its hard not to chime in light him up.

KJA also mentioned there is a forthcoming Navigators of Dune, after mentats.. egads.

Just stunningly stupid reading, check it out

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2228646347/


KJA even has a video trailer for Hellholes next incarnation

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.ph ... 0034257044

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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby SandRider » 09 Mar 2013 22:46

Kevin J. Anderson:
George, while some things in the Dune Encyclopedia may be interesting, the book is NOT canon, per Frank Herbert and Willis McNelly.



but Keith's shit is?

is that what he's saying here ???
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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby trang » 10 Mar 2013 10:08

yea I think so, it just refresh's the hate for his stuff doesn't it.
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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby Naïve mind » 10 Mar 2013 11:01

SandRider wrote:
Kevin J. Anderson:
George, while some things in the Dune Encyclopedia may be interesting, the book is NOT canon, per Frank Herbert and Willis McNelly.



but Keith's shit is?

is that what he's saying here ???


One more reason to use mentally substitute "written by Frank" wherever you read "canon"

"the Dune Encyclopedia is not written by Frank, per Frank Herbert and Willis McNelly -> computes just fine
"Dune 7 is written by Frank, according to the Herbert Estate -> error.

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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby Frybread » 13 Mar 2013 23:38

God I hate The KJA. I haven't paid attention to Dune in a few years but recently decided to reread the entire series (Dune through CH:D). Because I was bored the other day I skimmed through copies of PoD and SoD at the library. PoD is even worse then I remembered (I had tried to read it several years ago and couldn't finish) and WoD is pointless.

I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY hope The KJA and the Other Guy never write another McDune novel again.

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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby lotek » 14 Mar 2013 04:51

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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby Sardaukar Capt » 17 Aug 2013 23:57

I've been away from the forum for a while but noticed Mentats of Dune is schedule for March 2014. Per the morons blog, they were done "writing" in mid July. I wonder if Tor is making them slow down the releases finally. Since we know it's not the hacks style to do any research and detailed writing that would take up any appreciable amount of time.
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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby JustSomeGuy » 18 Aug 2013 22:02

Sardaukar Capt wrote:I've been away from the forum for a while but noticed Mentats of Dune is schedule for March 2014. Per the morons blog, they were done "writing" in mid July. I wonder if Tor is making them slow down the releases finally. Since we know it's not the hacks style to do any research and detailed writing that would take up any appreciable amount of time.


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Re: New McDune? (TBA January)

Postby Ampoliros » 19 Aug 2013 21:59

Considering what I felt like they did with the first few chapters of Sisterhood, I imagine TOR might actually have someone that is exercising some editorial control. Perhaps sales aren't meeting standards.
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