Should I read the so-called Dune7 in the name of completion?

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Re: Should I read the so-called Dune7 in the name of completion?

Postby Freakzilla » 18 Oct 2011 08:29

Demerzel wrote:Finished. Plot sucked so bad. Only thing remotely interesting was the Thufir face dancer plot. Once he was revealed though, I can't understand WHY no one suspected the rabbi. I was almost yelling at the screen. The characters make me cry. The ending was so bad that I deleted the file instantly and did a full system cleanup.


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Re: Should I read the so-called Dune7 in the name of completion?

Postby Apjak » 18 Oct 2011 10:40

Demerzel wrote: I was almost yelling at the screen.


I know you're saying this because you read a digital copy, but this was my feeling when reading a hard copy of the book. Like I was watching some "Bad Television" instead of reading a book.

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Re: Should I read the so-called Dune7 in the name of completion?

Postby Freakzilla » 18 Oct 2011 10:56

If their books were tv shows they would have been canceled before finishing the Preludes series.
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Re: Should I read the so-called Dune7 in the name of completion?

Postby Apjak » 18 Oct 2011 15:40

My experience with TV is that good shows get cancelled or distilled into thoughtless pap, while most things that fight to stay original get cancelled early.
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Re: Should I read the so-called Dune7 in the name of completion?

Postby Freakzilla » 18 Oct 2011 16:00

Apjak wrote:My experience with TV is that good shows get cancelled or distilled into thoughtless pap, while most things that fight to stay original get cancelled early.


You're right, TV goes by viewer quantity. Whether or not the show is actually good is inconsequential.

In my book-TV world, I canceled them after Hunters of Dune.
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Re: Should I read the so-called Dune7 in the name of completion?

Postby Demerzel » 29 Oct 2011 13:01

Apjak wrote:
Demerzel wrote: I was almost yelling at the screen.


I know you're saying this because you read a digital copy, but this was my feeling when reading a hard copy of the book. Like I was watching some "Bad Television" instead of reading a book.]

I'd like to proudly add that it was an illegal, pirated digital copy.
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Re: Should I read the so-called Dune7 in the name of completion?

Postby Nekhrun » 29 Oct 2011 18:20

Demerzel wrote:
Apjak wrote:
Demerzel wrote: I was almost yelling at the screen.


I know you're saying this because you read a digital copy, but this was my feeling when reading a hard copy of the book. Like I was watching some "Bad Television" instead of reading a book.]

I'd like to proudly add that it was an illegal, pirated digital copy.

Someone took the time to digitize that shit?
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Re: Should I read the so-called Dune7 in the name of completion?

Postby Demerzel » 30 Oct 2011 06:14

Yes :'(
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Re: Should I read the so-called Dune7 in the name of completion?

Postby Sardaukar Capt » 30 Oct 2011 16:17

A Thing of Eternity wrote:If you do read them, go straight into themm without reading the Legends series first. We've always wanted feedback from someone who did this to show just how little sense the final 2 books make in relation to the original series.


I read FH's Dune books in '89 - '90. Read (mind raped by) the House books when they came out. I was hoping for a bit more of the Jihad period books but I was fooling myself. It took me a few years of putting down and picking up Butlerian Jihad before I could finally finish it. It was like a bad Star Trek novel and thats an insult to Star Trek novels. Since I've already seen the rape started (of the massive potential of the BJ era) I'm finding it hard to turn away and am trying to finish it through the money shot (ie Battle or Cornhole). Right now I'm about 20% through Machine Crud and thats taken me a couple of years now of starts and stops. Thankfully they got no money from me for these shit books.

So would I be a good candidate to stop where I am with Machine Crud and read Cunters & Sandturds to see how little it relates to FH's books as opposed to the Ultimate Comics Dune Universe Kevin J Asshat has been setting up. If so I think I would need to re-read at least GEoD, HoD, & CHD first. Then I have to find cheap used physical (or free ebook) copies of Cunters and Seaturds because I'm not wanting to line their pockets with a penny.
The name Atreides was also consciously chosen. It is the family name of Agamemnon. Says Herbert, "I wanted a sense of monumental aristocracy, but with tragedy hanging over them--and in our culture, Agamemnon personifies that."
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Ghanima said. "We Atreides go back to Agamemnon..."
Distracted, Irulan asked: "Who's Agamemnon?"

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Re: Should I read the so-called Dune7 in the name of completion?

Postby Demerzel » 31 Oct 2011 06:27

Sardaukar Capt wrote:So would I be a good candidate to stop where I am with Machine Crud and read Cunters & Sandturds to see how little it relates to FH's books as opposed to the Ultimate Comics Dune Universe Kevin J Asshat has been setting up. If so I think I would need to re-read at least GEoD, HoD, & CHD first. Then I have to find cheap used physical (or free ebook) copies of Cunters and Seaturds because I'm not wanting to line their pockets with a penny.


DON'T. Really, don't. The books don't just neglect all that FH has written, they also downplay and degrade it.
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Re: Should I read the so-called Dune7 in the name of completion?

Postby SandChigger » 31 Oct 2011 11:32

Sardaukar Capt wrote:Machine Crud ... Cunters & Sandturds ... Ultimate Comics Dune Universe Kevin J Asshat ... Seaturds

You have a gift. :lol:
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Re: Should I read the so-called Dune7 in the name of completion?

Postby Sardaukar Capt » 31 Oct 2011 12:55

SandChigger wrote:
Sardaukar Capt wrote:Machine Crud ... Cunters & Sandturds ... Ultimate Comics Dune Universe Kevin J Asshat ... Seaturds

You have a gift. :lol:


:) Thanks.


Demerzel wrote:
Sardaukar Capt wrote:So would I be a good candidate to stop where I am with Machine Crud and read Cunters & Sandturds to see how little it relates to FH's books as opposed to the Ultimate Comics Dune Universe Kevin J Asshat has been setting up. If so I think I would need to re-read at least GEoD, HoD, & CHD first. Then I have to find cheap used physical (or free ebook) copies of Cunters and Seaturds because I'm not wanting to line their pockets with a penny.


DON'T. Really, don't. The books don't just neglect all that FH has written, they also downplay and degrade it.


I'm having such a hard time making it through Machine Crud. I don't think I'd be able to stomach what they've done to "Dune 7". Its bad enough that these Legends books are just horrible and idiotic... I'm still waiting to see the religious fervor that Frank mentioned in his books .... hmmm billions are slaughtered by machines but that doesn't cause religious fervor against the machines but Evil Data kills one baby and everyone goes ape shit and that suddenly turns Vorian from the Dark Side when before he could have cared less about the suffering of other humans... yeah that makes total sense :roll: . I don't think I can stomach them using these Legends books as the basis for THEIR Dune 7 story. It's one thing what they've done with the BJ period since Frank didn't reference back to that time much at least not in any detail but to create this travesty as the foundation to then rape what was setup in Heretics and Chapterhouse is beyond reproach.

I may one day finally make it thru these horrid Legends books just to finish what I started and see how bad this train wreck turns out since I can't un-read what I've slogged through so far. But then I think I'm done with these 2 morons otherwise. I don't think I'll ever be able to read Cunters/Sandturds after reading about the story. It's so freaking sad that any Herbert would have their name associated with this. Geez did they hate Frank and Bev this much?
The name Atreides was also consciously chosen. It is the family name of Agamemnon. Says Herbert, "I wanted a sense of monumental aristocracy, but with tragedy hanging over them--and in our culture, Agamemnon personifies that."
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http://tim.oreilly.com/herbert/

Ghanima said. "We Atreides go back to Agamemnon..."
Distracted, Irulan asked: "Who's Agamemnon?"

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Re: Should I read the so-called Dune7 in the name of completion?

Postby SandChigger » 01 Nov 2011 16:49

While it's true that FH didn't fill in that much detail about the Jihad period, what Bobo and The Hack didn't understand was that it didn't mean ANYTHING GOES! :doh:

The books shouldn't have made any reference to what comes later AT ALL. And they could have spent more than a year writing each one. :snooty:
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Re: Should I read the so-called Dune7 in the name of completion?

Postby Sardaukar Capt » 01 Nov 2011 17:35

SandChigger wrote:While it's true that FH didn't fill in that much detail about the Jihad period, what Bobo and The Hack didn't understand was that it didn't mean ANYTHING GOES! :doh:

The books shouldn't have made any reference to what comes later AT ALL. And they could have spent more than a year writing each one. :snooty:


I didn't know until recently what they did with Cunters & Sandturds from this forum and your blog recently. But I remember the bit in the BJ book I think when the Earth Omniass sent the Probe Droids into deep deep deep space to setup little Omniass beachheads. I was like hmmmm these retards are trying to set something up there for some future book. Now I know what it was. Fucking brilliant plot development there boys. I think the moron would have a stroke if he ever actually had an original idea.
The name Atreides was also consciously chosen. It is the family name of Agamemnon. Says Herbert, "I wanted a sense of monumental aristocracy, but with tragedy hanging over them--and in our culture, Agamemnon personifies that."
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http://tim.oreilly.com/herbert/

Ghanima said. "We Atreides go back to Agamemnon..."
Distracted, Irulan asked: "Who's Agamemnon?"

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WTF? A BG forgets the Titans?! :)

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Re: Should I read the so-called Dune7 in the name of completion?

Postby Shadout » 02 Nov 2011 11:33

I really regret reading Sanworms of Dune. It is like it has tainted my memories of Dune, even though it shouldn't.

I could live with the House and Butlerian series, even though especially the Butlerian series were amazingly crappy, they felt like separate entities from Original Dune, which was easier to ignore afterward.

Hunters was even somewhat tolerable/ignorable as well, if they hadn't taken that extra step toward insanity with Sandworms.

Don't read it. The hate is not worth it :D

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Postby Sardaukar Capt » 02 Nov 2011 13:56

Freakzilla wrote:"All that hate is gonna burn you up, kid."

"It keeps me warm."


Red Dawn ... Powers Booth to C. Thomas Howell. CLASSIC 80s movie.
The name Atreides was also consciously chosen. It is the family name of Agamemnon. Says Herbert, "I wanted a sense of monumental aristocracy, but with tragedy hanging over them--and in our culture, Agamemnon personifies that."
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http://tim.oreilly.com/herbert/

Ghanima said. "We Atreides go back to Agamemnon..."
Distracted, Irulan asked: "Who's Agamemnon?"

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Sardaukar Capt wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:"All that hate is gonna burn you up, kid."

"It keeps me warm."


Red Dawn ... Powers Booth to C. Thomas Howell. CLASSIC 80s movie.


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Postby SandRider » 02 Nov 2011 14:22

you realize, of course, that my response above was humor, right ?


see 'cause, I certainly know every stinking fucking line from that movie,
so answering "Bueller" is why it's funny ... also, if Freak is dropping
movie lines, there are only three possible choices: Red Dawn, The Blues
Brothers, or Lebowski ....
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Postby Freakzilla » 02 Nov 2011 14:26

Ah, you know me too well. I'm going to have to change up my patterns.
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SandRider wrote:you realize, of course, that my response above was humor, right ?


see 'cause, I certainly know every stinking fucking line from that movie,
so answering "Bueller" is why it's funny ... also, if Freak is dropping
movie lines, there are only three possible choices: Red Dawn, The Blues
Brothers, or Lebowski ....


I thought it might be after I posted :)
The name Atreides was also consciously chosen. It is the family name of Agamemnon. Says Herbert, "I wanted a sense of monumental aristocracy, but with tragedy hanging over them--and in our culture, Agamemnon personifies that."
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http://tim.oreilly.com/herbert/

Ghanima said. "We Atreides go back to Agamemnon..."
Distracted, Irulan asked: "Who's Agamemnon?"

Children of Dune by Frank Herbert

WTF? A BG forgets the Titans?! :)

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Re: Should I read the so-called Dune7 in the name of completion?

Postby Nietzsche's mustache » 02 Nov 2011 21:35

@ Sardukar Captain:
I think you should read them, if only to fully comprehend how horribly BH and KJA handled the project. Just put the Mcdunes close to your toilet, so that when you need to take a nice and hearty dump you have the appropriate reading material to complement the sounds and smells of defecation. If you think the Houses and the Butlerian triloges were bad, brace yourself my friend.
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Re: Should I read the so-called Dune7 in the name of completion?

Postby JimmytheT » 17 Nov 2011 17:31

My answer to the OP is a resounding no. I refuse to read them on the basis of my experience with both prequel trilogies. I prefer to leave the original series as it closed under Frank's writing.
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Re: Should I read the so-called Dune7 in the name of completion?

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 17 Nov 2011 18:07

You need to be a little unhinged to decide to read them, when I read the final book I seriously regretted it in a way far different than the earlier books.
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