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Re: Yet another kja "interview"...

Postby JustSomeGuy » 14 Nov 2011 20:02

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Re: Yet another kja "interview"...

Postby Demerzel » 15 Nov 2011 00:08

It's a very clever marketing ploy actually. Consider 100 books. I'm willing to bet quite a bit that atleast two books in different universes are essentially identical. The 'variety' he musters ensures that no one will read all of his books. I mean, come on, if you're an author who actually meets deadlines, you have to do something to satisfy all your publishers. Why not write the same thing and create some copies and sell them to your various publishers, just replacing words like 'fremen' with 'zerg' or 'jedi'.
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Re: Yet another kja "interview"...

Postby Ampoliros » 15 Nov 2011 01:35

DuneFishUK wrote:
Some hack.. sorry, I mean PUBLISHING SUPREMO wrote:TALES OF DUNE—the best-selling book released by http://www.wordfirepress.com.

Best selling? How many downloads?

:P


Yeah I caught that too. I'm willing to chalk it up to a freudian slip...in that he just calls all his work "bestselling". Its obviously an ego-stroking, "self-reminder that he's relevant" type of usage.

Not to mention that Wedding Silk was fireball component* retarded before it introduced fucking 'woodworms'

Yeah the whole "We" are shopping Dune around Hollywood BULLSHIT pissed me off. There is no "We" with KJA and Dune. There is Frank and Dune. And there is KJA and bloodsucking leech-hack pisspants fucktard wannabe.

Perfect Prose TM wrote:it's a story too big to fit into a single book.

Translation: I'm an industrial level hack who put all their skill into padding texts with repetitive or pointless bullshit.

If you squeezed all the content out of the book you might get a novella. It would still be shit, but at least it would be less shit.


* the component in the spell "Fireball" is batshit.
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Postby SandChigger » 16 Nov 2011 00:44

SandRider wrote:this oughta shut the SandChigger up about Zeroes of Dune not being a trilogy, as advertised ...

Why? He's said nothing new here that I can see. ;)
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Re: Yet another kja "interview"...

Postby SandRider » 16 Nov 2011 02:21

read it again: Zeroes of Dune is now a quadology, or whatever the correct term for
four books of semi-related horseshit is ... see, so like ... fuck you, haters ...
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Re: Yet another kja "interview"...

Postby Ampoliros » 16 Nov 2011 13:09

Actually, didn't he say they were unrelated texts? Maybe someone at Lucasfilm did read the book, and did contact their lawyers about ripping off the clone army. So calling them independent texts means they won't be going back to deal with Shaddam & the Gholas....


...and why do I even give a damn. It's not like they were going to do anything constructive with Dune.
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Postby SandRider » 16 Nov 2011 15:13

PAUL OF DUNE, WINDS OF DUNE, THRONE OF DUNE, and GOLDEN PATH OF DUNE/LETO OF DUNE are four individual, separate novels "inquels" that fill in the gaps between Frank Herbert's original novels. They don't form a straightforward, interconnected story like the Schools of Dune trilogy does.


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Postby SandChigger » 18 Nov 2011 11:50

He's been squirting that particular stream of shit out of his facial anus since the Heroes tetralogy was cancelled. That's why I say he's added nothing new to the steaming pile... it's like he picked up some of the shit slush from one part in his mouth and spat it out somewhere else.

Ampoliros wrote:Actually, didn't he say they were unrelated texts? Maybe someone at Lucasfilm did read the book, and did contact their lawyers about ripping off the clone army. So calling them independent texts means they won't be going back to deal with Shaddam & the Gholas....

Hey... that's an interesting take on it. Is Lucas kind-of a prick, too, when it comes to protecting his IP? If true it could be fun: a pricky Clash of the Titans! :P
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Re: Yet another kja "interview"...

Postby Ampoliros » 18 Nov 2011 12:53

Naw Lucasarts is pretty cool about people using their IP.

Not so sure about how they feel about people stealing it though.
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Postby Freakzilla » 18 Nov 2011 13:09

He has a pretty clearly defined system for what is canon, though. Which I think is nice.

My hope is that one day, someone with respect for FH's legacy will come along in the HLP and extablish something similar and lump KJAs squeezings into "Alternate Duniverse/bad fan fiction".
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Postby SandRider » 18 Nov 2011 15:04

SandChigger wrote:He's been squirting that particular stream of shit out of his facial anus since the Heroes tetralogy was cancelled. That's why I say he's added nothing new to the steaming pile... it's like he picked up some of the shit slush from one part in his mouth and spat it out somewhere else.


wow, you just cannot admit you're wrong, can you ? I mean, I think Keith was pretty clear from the beginning that the Zeroes Trilogy
(Paul of Dune, Jessica to the Winds of Dune, & Irulan on the Thrones of Dune) was always envisioned as a unrelated series of stand-alone
novels collected into an inter-connected quadology .... this kind of willful ignorance and refusal to admit error is why people call you a
sociopath ....
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Re: Yet another kja "interview"...

Postby Ampoliros » 18 Nov 2011 21:42

Freakzilla wrote:He has a pretty clearly defined system for what is canon, though. Which I think is nice.

My hope is that one day, someone with respect for FH's legacy will come along in the HLP and extablish something similar and lump KJAs squeezings into "Alternate Duniverse/bad fan fiction".



Better to just completely ignore their existence. I'd be up front about it, saying I don't consider anything by a two-bit hack to be canon in one of the most important sci-fi series we have. I'd also say I don't expect anyone to consider my additions to be canon.

There are six Dune books and Frank is their author.
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Postby trang » 18 Nov 2011 21:59

Ampoliros wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:He has a pretty clearly defined system for what is canon, though. Which I think is nice.

My hope is that one day, someone with respect for FH's legacy will come along in the HLP and extablish something similar and lump KJAs squeezings into "Alternate Duniverse/bad fan fiction".



Better to just completely ignore their existence. I'd be up front about it, saying I don't consider anything by a two-bit hack to be canon in one of the most important sci-fi series we have. I'd also say I don't expect anyone to consider my additions to be canon.

There are six Dune books and Frank is their author.


I agree, six dune books, canon. The continued ridicule of the posers(KJA/BH) goes beyond Dune. They continue to put out trash that ruins the purity of DUNE, but doubles on perpetuating the mediocrity in writers, especially in the Sci-fi Genre.

The complete lunacy that KJA alone brings to the table, is mind bending. I fully believe he thinks his trash is on par with the greatest scifi authors of all time. I think he believes because he is prolific and has cash from those scribbling's that makes him great.

The label of soup cans is more interesting and has more depth that ANYTHING this fucktard has put on paper.

I on a daily basis ignore it, but every so often it just strums a nerve and have to vent.
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trang wrote:The label of soup cans is more interesting and has more depth that ANYTHING this fucktard has put on paper.

That's funny. But to be fair, he doesn't actually put anything on paper.
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Postby SandChigger » 19 Nov 2011 16:14

SandRider wrote:wow, you just cannot admit you're wrong, can you ? I mean, I think Keith was pretty clear from the beginning that the Zeroes Trilogy
(Paul of Dune, Jessica to the Winds of Dune, & Irulan on the Thrones of Dune) was always envisioned as a unrelated series of stand-alone
novels collected into an inter-connected quadology .... this kind of willful ignorance and refusal to admit error is why people call you a
sociopath ....

:lol:

FROM THE BEGINNING pronouncements are always more convincing when actually made FROM THE BEGINNING. Not two or three years later when the series is cancelled halfway through. ;)

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Postby SandRider » 19 Nov 2011 16:27

seriously,tho ... this is the first I've seen him claiming four products ... did I miss a twit ?

Do You still plan to write Throne of Dune and Leto of Dune (two books in Heroes of Dune series) or this project is officially dead?

It's not dead by any means. PAUL OF DUNE, WINDS OF DUNE, THRONE OF DUNE, and GOLDEN PATH OF DUNE/LETO OF DUNE are four individual, separate novels "inquels" that fill in the gaps between Frank Herbert's original novels. They don't form a straightforward, interconnected story like the Schools of Dune trilogy does. We did two of them, and felt that we wanted to go back to a different time period, the post-Jihad universe with many of the familiar characters we had developed in the Butlerian Jihad trilogy. The inquels are somewhat constraining because they have to fit in such a tight time frame, and the Schools trilogy gives us much more freedom. We do intend to go back and do the other two. Brian and I are also writing our HELLHOLE books in between the Schools of Dune novels.


and is it "inquel" or "interquel" ?
and just who would be the arbitrator of these types of horseshit portmanteau concoctions ?

and bless my heart, but I already done forget WTF Jessica to the Winds of Dune was even about ....
it's supposed to be squeezed between Messiah & Children, right ?
so where is this "Throne of Dune" thing going? and why do I think it was originally supposed to be about Irulan?
wasn't there an "Irulan of Dune" title tossed around? what about "Alia of Dune" ?
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Postby SandRider » 19 Nov 2011 16:38

17 July 2010, 9:50 AM
TheKJA: @ksander_n They are all "Heroes of Dune" as a grouping, but it's not a 4-part story. PAUL is separate from WINDS, as will be the other two.
12 July 2010, 9:34 AM
TheKJA: @esjord "Heroes" isn't really a series. 2 more inquels planned, but they're individual novels. We wanted to go back to B-Jihad time period

blahg: 15 July 2010, 9:49 PM
After writing two novels at the far end of the Dune timeline (HUNTERS and SANDWORMS) and two standalone “inquels” closely set within Frank Herbert’s original “Dune” trilogy (PAUL OF DUNE and THE WINDS OF DUNE), we’re going back to the exciting and unexplored territory of the first century after the end of the Butlerian Jihad — a trilogy that explores the formation of the major schools and political organizations that guide and shape the Dune universe.

Over the course of three novels, we’ll describe the formation of the Bene Gesserit, the Mentats, the Suk Doctors, the Spacing Guild and the Navigators, as well as the solidifying of the Corrino imperium. It’s a big story set against the great turmoil of continuing anti-technology fervor and the religious unrest of the C.E.T. The first novel is titled THE SISTERHOOD OF DUNE and will likely be published in early 2012. Anyone who’s attended our talks and signings knows that Brian and I have been planning this series for a long time.

We still have two more inquels to do, after WINDS and PAUL, but those are independent books, and we plan to go back to them later; right now, we found ourselves much more engrossed with this story in the early time period—and a large portion of our fan mail comes from readers asking when they’ll see more of Vorian Atreides.


alrighty,then .... I really have no way of knowing what I was doing in July of 2010, I don't have a search function for that,
but I'll assume I was either drunk or simply ignoring the substance of keith's postings ...
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Postby SandChigger » 19 Nov 2011 17:09

Inquel or interquel...

Based on the Wikipedia article at the time, I made this diagram to illustrate the various terms a while back...

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I can see making a distinction between inquel and interquel: an interquel takes place completely between two other works in the series, while an inquel overlaps chronologically with other works... a "midquel" in the diagram.

Thus far, I don't believe they have actually overlapped, have they? PoD takes place before Dune (Young Paul nonsense) and between Dune and Messiah (The Jihad and Margot Fenring assassination attempt, etc), and WoD occurs before Dune (more Young Paul) and after Messiah. (Was there also inter-Dune-and-Messiah nonsense in Winds? I forget now....) So by the above definitions the two Heroes books thus far have actually been... "distributed interquels" or amphiquels! :P

(I guess I need to update that diagram.)
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Re: Yet another kja "interview"...

Postby Serkanner » 19 Nov 2011 17:44

Just fuck it. I don't give a damn about intersequels or any of that any more.
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Postby Ampoliros » 20 Nov 2011 02:53

I think its safer to just call them suckquels.
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Postby SandChigger » 20 Nov 2011 09:48

:lol:

Agreed then.
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Postby Tleszer » 20 Nov 2011 11:12

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SandRider wrote:and bless my heart, but I already done forget WTF Jessica to the Winds of Dune was even about ....
it's supposed to be squeezed between Messiah & Children, right ?


Yeah, that one. I think it's the one where Paul runs off to join the circus. No, seriously.

SandRider wrote:so where is this "Throne of Dune" thing going? and why do I think it was originally supposed to be about Irulan?
wasn't there an "Irulan of Dune" title tossed around?


The Throne of Dune was originally going to the called Irulan of Dune. And I think it was also going to be set between Messiah and Children - a direct sequel to WoD, in fact. At least, that's what's been speculated here.

what about "Alia of Dune" ?

I don't recall that ever being a real title. I think Steve Youll (the cover artist for the nu-Dunes) mentioned it once while having a brain fart.

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Postby SandChigger » 20 Nov 2011 17:04

:shock:

Jack, dude, you got this shit down. :lol:
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Postby Hunchback Jack » 20 Nov 2011 18:30

Yeah, for some reason I have a good memory for epic fail. ;)

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