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Re: Bruce Herbert: Probable DUNE Heir?

Postby Sev » 18 Jun 2011 14:15

I thought everything he wrote was coloured with his crayons...
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Re: Bruce Herbert: Probable DUNE Heir?

Postby Freakzilla » 18 Jun 2011 16:27

I sure wish someone would scan DoD to PDF. :cry:
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Re: Bruce Herbert: Probable DUNE Heir?

Postby Omphalos » 18 Jun 2011 21:57

Freakzilla wrote:I sure wish someone would scan DoD to PDF. :cry:

Just bought the ebook for $9.

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Re: Bruce Herbert: Probable DUNE Heir?

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Omphalos wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:I sure wish someone would scan DoD to PDF. :cry:

Just bought the ebook for $9.


That's really great! :D
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Re: Bruce Herbert: Probable DUNE Heir?

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PM me your address; I'll send you the copy I bought from Goodwill on amazon ($12, just to be able
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Re: Bruce Herbert: Probable DUNE Heir?

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 19 Jun 2011 14:08

I would think Brian just didn't understand being gay isn't a choice (unless say Bruce was bizexual, and made a choice to stay away from women to piss off his father... hmm, sounds soooo likely don't it? :roll: ) and just wanted to blame every "problem" in the family on his dad. Hell, for all we know FH was responsible for all the other things Brian didn't like in his life, but Bruce being gay ain't one of em.

The number of people who have managed to pretend to be gay, do gay rights activism, and die of AIDS still claiming to be gay in the whole world (just to piss off a parent no less!) can probably be counted on no hands. :wink:

Brian's either an idiot or a closet case who's always pretended to be straight to make daddy proud (I've got a long standing theory that the only people who could actually believe that being gay is a choice must themselves either be bisexual, or a straight or gay person who's been really severely brainwashed to the point where they never actually think it through).
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Re: Bruce Herbert: Probable DUNE Heir?

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I blame MY parents for everything. :snooty:
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Re: Bruce Herbert: Probable DUNE Heir?

Postby SandChigger » 20 Jun 2011 00:04

Me, too.

I mean, I blame your parents. Not mine. :P

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Re: Bruce Herbert: Probable DUNE Heir?

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A Thing of Eternity wrote:
The number of people who have managed to pretend to be gay, do gay rights activism, and die of AIDS still claiming to be gay in the whole world (just to piss off a parent no less!) can probably be counted on no hands. :wink:


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Re: Bruce Herbert: Probable DUNE Heir?

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 20 Jun 2011 14:13

SandRider wrote:
A Thing of Eternity wrote:
The number of people who have managed to pretend to be gay, do gay rights activism, and die of AIDS still claiming to be gay in the whole world (just to piss off a parent no less!) can probably be counted on no hands. :wink:


Freddy Mercury - he didn't do it to piss off his folks, he just sorta fell into the role ....


I dunno, dude seemed gay-gay to me... :)
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Re: Bruce Herbert: Probable DUNE Heir?

Postby Omphalos » 20 Jun 2011 16:02

SandRider wrote:
A Thing of Eternity wrote:
The number of people who have managed to pretend to be gay, do gay rights activism, and die of AIDS still claiming to be gay in the whole world (just to piss off a parent no less!) can probably be counted on no hands. :wink:


Freddy Mercury - he didn't do it to piss off his folks, he just sorta fell into the role ....


Freddy Mercury was really straight? Not quite sure how he fooled everybody but you.

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Re: Bruce Herbert: Probable DUNE Heir?

Postby inhuien » 21 Jun 2011 08:15

Omphalos wrote:
SandRider wrote:
A Thing of Eternity wrote:
The number of people who have managed to pretend to be gay, do gay rights activism, and die of AIDS still claiming to be gay in the whole world (just to piss off a parent no less!) can probably be counted on no hands. :wink:


Freddy Mercury - he didn't do it to piss off his folks, he just sorta fell into the role ....


Freddy Mercury was really straight? Not quite sure how he fooled everybody but you.
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Re: Bruce Herbert: Probable DUNE Heir?

Postby Jodorowsky's Acolyte » 21 Jun 2011 17:34

I wish I knew what Bruce Herbert's opinions of the Dune Chronicles were. Is it possible that he liked his father's books more than his father's personality? (We need to get a Orthodox Herbertarian historian who understands many of the ins and outs of the Herbert family. Maybe he can track the missing notes and release them in a Pentagon Papers-like fashion :D )

I've knew more about Bruce, maybe I could speculate as to what titles he would use for his version of the Dune prequels. I'd like to think that if he inherited the Dune legacy, his approach would be more complex and ambiguous (considering the number of areas he excelled at).

However, speculation is pretty dangerous and inadvisable without more information, so I might as well end my input here. :oops:
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Re: Bruce Herbert: Probable DUNE Heir?

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 21 Jun 2011 18:54

I think its a safe bet to say he would have done a better job, simply by virtue of his not being the same person as KJA. :wink: You could pretty much pick authors at random and it would take lifetimes before you'd land on someone who would have done a worse job.
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Re: Bruce Herbert: Probable DUNE Heir?

Postby SandChigger » 22 Jun 2011 13:58

Jodorowsky's Acolyte wrote:(We need to get a Orthodox Herbertarian historian who understands many of the ins and outs of the Herbert family. Maybe he can track the missing notes and release them in a Pentagon Papers-like fashion :D )

The notes aren't "missing", so there's no need to track them: Brian Herbert has them. (Unless he's let KJA take them. :roll: )

I've knew more about Bruce, maybe I could speculate as to what titles he would use for his version of the Dune prequels.

Is there any indication that Bruce had literary aspirations? That he also wanted to be a writer? I've never seen anything suggesting this.

I'd like to think that if he inherited the Dune legacy, his approach would be more complex and ambiguous (considering the number of areas he excelled at).

Again, there's no indication that he would have had "approach". Had he been the primary heir, he may have let other writers have a shot at it, or he may have tried to bury his father's works entirely. There's simply no way of knowing what he would have done. To wit:
...speculation is pretty dangerous and inadvisable without more information

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Re: Bruce Herbert: Probable DUNE Heir?

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SandChigger wrote:
Jodorowsky's Acolyte wrote:(We need to get a Orthodox Herbertarian historian who understands many of the ins and outs of the Herbert family. Maybe he can track the missing notes and release them in a Pentagon Papers-like fashion :D )

The notes aren't "missing", so there's no need to track them: Brian Herbert has them. (Unless he's let KJA take them. :roll: )


What possible use would KJA have for FH's notes? :roll:
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Re: Bruce Herbert: Probable DUNE Heir?

Postby SandRider » 22 Jun 2011 16:33

Freakzilla wrote:
SandChigger wrote:
Jodorowsky's Acolyte wrote:(We need to get a Orthodox Herbertarian historian who understands many of the ins and outs of the Herbert family. Maybe he can track the missing notes and release them in a Pentagon Papers-like fashion :D )

The notes aren't "missing", so there's no need to track them: Brian Herbert has them. (Unless he's let KJA take them. :roll: )


What possible use would KJA have for FH's notes? :roll:



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Re: Bruce Herbert: Probable DUNE Heir?

Postby SandChigger » 23 Jun 2011 00:53

Freakzilla wrote:What possible use would KJA have for FH's notes? :roll:

:lol:

But seriously, do you all understand him so little?

Just having a copy of Frank Herbert's notes (didn't Byron or someone mention something like that once?), when so many REAL fans want to see them but can't... don't you realize what a chubby-maker that is for him?! :shock:
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Re: Bruce Herbert: Probable DUNE Heir?

Postby SadisticCynic » 23 Jun 2011 04:46

SandChigger wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:What possible use would KJA have for FH's notes? :roll:

:lol:

But seriously, do you all understand him so little?

Just having a copy of Frank Herbert's notes (didn't Byron or someone mention something like that once?), when so many REAL fans want to see them but can't... don't you realize what a chubby-maker that is for him?! :shock:


So, if we all just pretend not to care anymore, we can wait a few weeks then pick up the notes from Kevin's trash.
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Re: Bruce Herbert: Probable DUNE Heir?

Postby SandChigger » 23 Jun 2011 08:37

Nah, I figure the prick will wipe with them and flush. :(

(I mean, he's figuratively wiping his ass all over the books already. ;) )
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Re: Bruce Herbert: Probable DUNE Heir?

Postby Freakzilla » 23 Jun 2011 10:02

SandRider wrote:
Freakzilla wrote:
SandChigger wrote:
Jodorowsky's Acolyte wrote:(We need to get a Orthodox Herbertarian historian who understands many of the ins and outs of the Herbert family. Maybe he can track the missing notes and release them in a Pentagon Papers-like fashion :D )

The notes aren't "missing", so there's no need to track them: Brian Herbert has them. (Unless he's let KJA take them. :roll: )


What possible use would KJA have for FH's notes? :roll:



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Re: Bruce Herbert: Probable DUNE Heir?

Postby mwisconsin » 24 Oct 2011 16:09

I thought I'd chime in here, as I found this conversation after a quick Google search.

The television station that's mentioned in Bruce's obit was KOCR-TV, in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, a Fox affiliate at the time. It was my father-in-law's station. I worked with Bruce the whole time he was there.

I'm a great big Dune fan, and when, after working with him for many months, he mentioned that he was the estranged son of Frank Herbert, I didn't believe him. This was pre-Internet, and I didn't have the resources or the motivation to try and confirm his claim. I really regret not trusting him on this. There are very few points in my life where I could say I was any meaningful degree away from authors who have held such an impact on me.

I can reliably say that even though he was a big fan of futurism and tech, he had no interest whatsoever of topics relating to science fiction.

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Re: Bruce Herbert: Probable DUNE Heir?

Postby SandRider » 24 Oct 2011 20:09

I found this conversation after a quick Google search.


what were you searching for (specifically) & why ?
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Re: Bruce Herbert: Probable DUNE Heir?

Postby mwisconsin » 24 Oct 2011 20:36

SandRider wrote:what were you searching for (specifically) & why ?


I was reading up on Frank Herbert's Wiki entry, noticed the reference to Bruce's name, and remembered the guy I worked with way back when. So, I Googled for his name, and this was one of the first hits.


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