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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby SandChigger » 23 Jun 2010 13:12

    And on the DuneNovels forum front page...

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    The newest registered user is blingdogg

    :lol:

    (yawn)

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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby Freakzilla » 23 Jun 2010 13:15

    SandChigger wrote:And on the DuneNovels forum front page...

    Our users have posted a total of 52234 articles
    We have 1468 registered users
    The newest registered user is blingdogg

    :lol:

    (yawn)

    Time for bed!


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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby merkin muffley » 23 Jun 2010 13:18

    SandChigger wrote:And on the DuneNovels forum front page...

    Our users have posted a total of 52234 articles
    We have 1468 registered users
    The newest registered user is blingdogg

    :lol:


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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby Freakzilla » 23 Jun 2010 13:20

    Then again, this is a good example of how to leave a forum. No announcement, no manifesto...
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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby TheDukester » 23 Jun 2010 13:21

    Freakzilla wrote:I know it's contrary to our cause to refer people there but I had a feeling he'd be better off.

    What's great, though, is that his first eight posts will be about Jacurutu. That will drive Freakin Meow batshit.
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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby Freakzilla » 23 Jun 2010 13:23

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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby DuneFishUK » 23 Jun 2010 13:25

    I always tell the preeq-curious that the new books contain HUGE SPOILERS - which is true. Any other order and you're robbing yourself.



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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby lotek » 23 Jun 2010 13:27

    TheDukester wrote:
    Freakzilla wrote:I know it's contrary to our cause to refer people there but I had a feeling he'd be better off.

    What's great, though, is that his first eight posts will be about Jacurutu. That will drive Freakin Meow batshit.


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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby Lundse » 23 Jun 2010 16:45

    blingdogg wrote:Hello guys,

    My question for this thread, is if I can read the new prequels/sequels by Anderson and Brian Herbert without a full knowledge of the original books by Frank?


    Hi.

    Touchy subject, huh?

    To get to the core of your question, then yes. You can certainly read and understand what is going on in the prequels, interquels, "To-The-Whatever-Of-The-Whoever"s and so on, without reading Franks Dune sequels. Or Dune for that matter.
    Everything is spelled out, this is not meant to be difficult reading material!

    The question is whether you would want to...


    About this sentence, then...
    blingdogg wrote:I loved the original Dune, but found the following books too dense to get into.


    I know I found Messiah a downer, and I did not get most of GEoD or beyond the first time round. But I always got the feeling that I was being leveled with; Frank never talked down to me and he had stuff to tell me - and what I did get was fascinating and rich. If this rings a bell, regarding how you felt reading Dune, then I'd recommend steering clear!

    KJA and Brian "I Piss on my Father's Grave" Herbert do not understand Dune (or they do not care). They contradict what is established in Dune, and the later books - both with regards to theme, basic facts, characterisations, etc. etc.
    And they contain major spoilers, telling you about stuff that was meant to be surprises (or just delivered better) in Frank's original books.


    So let me ask you this:
    Did you, reading Dune, get the idea that Paul was born somewhere other than Caladan and had been of on multiple adventures in the galaxy before coming to Dune? Did you get the idea that the Bene Gesserit were telepathic and could make themselves invisible? Did the Butlerian Jihad strike you as an evil AI that went nuts and almost annihilated mankind?
    If no, then the new books will take from your enjoyment of Dune, and any sequels you might read in the future.
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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby SandChigger » 23 Jun 2010 16:53

    :clap: :clap: :clap:

    ALWAYS a pleasure to read. :)
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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby Nekhrun » 23 Jun 2010 18:20

    Freakzilla wrote:This one is bound for the Bad Examples forum for "How Not To Introduce Yourself at Jacurutu".

    No offense, Bling. :wink:

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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby Omphalos » 24 Jun 2010 00:49

    Damn! I miss the best opportunities because of work!
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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby Freakzilla » 24 Jun 2010 05:32

    RL is always getting in the way... :cry:
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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby lotek » 24 Jun 2010 06:11

    real life's a bitch!
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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby SandRider » 24 Jun 2010 08:25

    yeah, I missed it, too ...

    and then, as I'm catching up, fucking lotek gets in the zing I wanted ....

    I just want to know if the Anderson/Brian H books can be read without full knowledge of the original books.


    depriving me of : Why not ? that's how they were written ....

    then:
    I'll try asking this on a different forum.


    my first thought was : good fucking luck with that ... this is the only fucking Dune forum on the net ...
    the rest are dead, aborted or stillborn, or owned by Corporate Dune ... I don't think Merritt will advise to
    not read them ... he'll throw in a "but you should read Frank, too, I know it's real difficult to understand,
    but you should atleast try"; then he'll say something like Spanky McDune being better than no
    Dune at all ...

    over/under on Merritt realizing he's got a new member in the queue and actually activating the account ?
    'bout a week, maybe ?



    and:
    huh. "attacked" you say ?
    after asking a question like that and then piling on a "Frank's books are too hard to read" ?

    well ... maybe you should've read some of this board first before jumping in with the dumbass just laying
    out there like a dead deer on the highway ... huh ... a pack of vultures descended from nowhere, you say ?
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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby Freakzilla » 24 Jun 2010 09:03

    SandRider wrote:...after asking a question like that and then piling on a "Frank's books are too hard to read" ?

    well ... maybe you should've read some of this board first before jumping in with the dumbass just laying
    out there like a dead deer on the highway ... huh ... a pack of vultures descended from nowhere, you say ?


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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby lotek » 24 Jun 2010 09:38

    SandRider wrote:yeah, I missed it, too ...

    and then, as I'm catching up, fucking lotek of all people lol gets in the zing I wanted ....

    I just want to know if the Anderson/Brian H books can be read without full knowledge of the original books.


    depriving me of : Why not ? that's how they were written ....

    Yeah sorry about that but I could not let it pass now could I?

    then:
    I'll try asking this on a different forum.


    my first thought was : good fucking luck with that ... this is the only fucking Dune forum on the net ...
    the rest are dead, aborted or stillborn, or owned by Corporate Dune ... I don't think Merritt will advise to
    not read them ... he'll throw in a "but you should read Frank, too, I know it's real difficult to understand,
    but you should atleast try"; then he'll say something like Spanky McDune being better than no
    Dune at all ...

    over/under on Merritt realizing he's got a new member in the queue and actually activating the account ?
    'bout a week, maybe ?



    and:
    huh. "attacked" you say ?
    after asking a question like that and then piling on a "Frank's books are too hard to read" ?

    well ... maybe you should've read some of this board first before jumping in with the dumbass just laying
    out there like a dead deer on the highway ... huh ... a pack of vultures descended from nowhere, you say ?
    We can smell a wounded preeq forums away :)
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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby inhuien » 28 Jun 2010 05:29

    Having boiled eggs for breakfast and reading a forum full of qweef quotes is not good for the digestion. :lol:
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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby SandChigger » 28 Jun 2010 09:42

    So did blingey ever get on over at DN or not? :?

    Poor guy, patiently waiting for Byron to get off his bum and approve him. My heart goes out. :(
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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby drainbread » 29 Jun 2010 06:09

    My Dune confession...

    I read Dune when I was twelve and got confused, never to pick up another Frank Herbert book until I turned the tender age of 25, at this time the KJA/BH machine was in full tilt so I gave them a shot because hey, "prequils are prequils" right (please note, I spelled prequels that way because they stick with you, but in a very bad way)

    WRONG!

    What little I remembered of Dune came forth whilst reading the total fucking shit produced by the aforementioned hacks thanks to the lovely mini-series from SciFi(SyFy... WTF?). First I suffered through the "Legend" series and then the accursed "Prelude" crapfest, honestly, I have read better stuff from n00blet authors that were filled with more grammar errors and miss used words than you will find in this post, on every page even.

    So the torture ended somewhat when I picked Dune up again and I truly fell in love with the story and every Frank Herbert version of Dune that came after with GEoD being my least favorite but it was still quite enjoyable, Then the hacks started on the "ending" of the series and I was curious as to what I might find, after all, Frank left us with a pair of super-de-duper face dancers that took a level in badass not seen since the kwisatz haderach changed the universe!

    Then the waterworms showed up and then the magical nightmare machine duo, FUCK, back to hell I went and to this day I regret having ever read that shit, I wish my mind was unpolluted and the only Dune to occupy my mind was the real thing, the novels written by Frank Herbert.

    If I want to read popcorn, I will stick to Jim Butcher and the Dresden Files, say what you will, it's better than "Twilight" and fully entertaining, come on, when you read about a wizard riding a zombie T-Rex named "Sue" through Chicago then you know there was some funky green tobacco being smoked :lol:
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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby lotek » 29 Jun 2010 06:14

    hi and welcome to the board!
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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby SandChigger » 29 Jun 2010 06:52

    :shock:

    One year, four months, and nineteen days. That has got to be one of the longest lurks in Dune forum history! :lol:

    Welcome into the light. :D
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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby Nekhrun » 29 Jun 2010 07:03

    :character-cookiemonster:
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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby Serkanner » 29 Jun 2010 12:34

    Welcome Home!
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    Re: Reading the Prequels/Sequels

    Postby Tleszer » 29 Jun 2010 17:03

    Welcome! :orcs-buttshake:
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