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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

Postby Sev » 07 Dec 2010 11:28

Mandy wrote:His idea of knowing when to stop probably means knowing when to stop editing and just send the crap off to the publisher.


You're right, he was talking about that - I just wanted an excuse to have a pop at the bastard... :mad:
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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

Postby SandChigger » 07 Dec 2010 12:44

Sev wrote:Apparently to be a better writer, he's always seeking out new experiences, learning new skills, going to new places.

Yeah, the kafir fuck has been to both Egypt and the UAE within the last few years but there's no evidence he's added any ARABIC to his skill set. :evil:

(Is there any evidence that he knows any language besides English? Supposedly he minored in Russian History... :roll: )
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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

Postby Serkanner » 07 Dec 2010 13:08

SandChigger wrote:
Sev wrote:Apparently to be a better writer, he's always seeking out new experiences, learning new skills, going to new places.

Yeah, the kafir fuck has been to both Egypt and the UAE within the last few years but there's no evidence he's added any ARABIC to his skill set. :evil:

(Is there any evidence that he knows any language besides English? Supposedly he minored in Russian History... :roll: )


You call what he writes English?
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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

Postby TheDukester » 07 Dec 2010 14:35

SandChigger wrote:Is there any evidence that he knows any language besides English? ...

Zero that I know of.

And it's a guarantee that if Anderhack actually did have fluency in any other language, he would mention that fact constantly. He'd probably even do cutesy stuff like write the occasional Twatter post in a foreign language, for no good reason at all.

No, he's got English, and that's it. And that's one that he can speak, but definitely not write ...
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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

Postby Kojiro » 07 Dec 2010 18:16

Because he doesn't actually write, he talks into a recorder!! :laughing:
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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

Postby SandChigger » 08 Dec 2010 01:23

ZING! :lol:
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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

Postby SadisticCynic » 08 Dec 2010 14:01

SandChigger wrote:
Sev wrote:Apparently to be a better writer, he's always seeking out new experiences, learning new skills, going to new places.

Yeah, the kafir fuck has been to both Egypt and the UAE within the last few years but there's no evidence he's added any ARABIC to his skill set. :evil:


That's a bit of a double meaning on this site isn't it? :wink:
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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

Postby SandChigger » 08 Dec 2010 17:26

I really have no idea what you could mean...

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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

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AWESOME!

I will send you my credit card number now!
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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

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Damn, I thought Sandokan had finally joined.
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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

Postby Freakzilla » 13 Dec 2010 04:59

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming...
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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

Postby Robspierre » 30 Jan 2011 16:32

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/47444-most-craptastic-novels/page__st__40

Post #60

Bold to add my emphasis.

I went to a panel he sat on this weekend at CoSine here in colorado springs. The panel was called, 'Should writers read in their genre?'.
I didn't know much about good old Kevin J, other than some Star Wars novels i read when i was 12 and the general distaste everyone has for him due to the Dune novels (i tried reading one and couldn't finish).
Anywho, when asked about his opinion on the subject of the panel he said, and i'm not making this shit up: "Well, I'm kind of a big name in Sci Fi, so i get a lot of stories out of slush piles for the anthologies i'm asked to edit, and new authors wanting me to read their work. I rarely read them. I really only interested in the things i'm working on, and the books i'm writing. So, no, i don't read within the genre if i can help it.'

I thought he was just fucking around, but as the panel went on, and questions were thrown at him, i realized that this guy really takes himself seriously. He doesn't realize that he is one of the most hated authors in our little corner of the world, and that his entire career is based on him writing about shit that he didn't make up (For Fuck's sake, he even ripped of L. Ron Hubbard, you can't get much lower than that). Only attempting to continue a story that has already been established, and not doing very well at it anymore.

So ya, fuck Kevin J. Anderson.



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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

Postby Robspierre » 30 Jan 2011 16:39

Some more goodness from later on in the thread.


Galactus, on 28 January 2011 - 01:59 PM, said:
To be fair, a lot of authors don't read other fantasy for fear of being sued.



Indeed. This came up during the panel as well. For fear of being 'influenced' by what they are reading. Connie Willis stated that she reads absolute /nothing/ when she is writing something (other than reference material).

That wasn't the vibe I got from old Kevin J. More to the affect that he just doesn't rate anyone else's shit that high. The guy just came off dickish and very self important. The mother-fucker cut off Mrs. Willis (Sci-Fi Bad Ass) once for FSM sake!


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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

Postby SandChigger » 30 Jan 2011 16:50

Is there anything in that which comes as a surprise? ;)

Did you notice this on the next page, in reference to the comment you quoted (well, url'ed :P )?
To be fair, a lot of authors don't read other fantasy for fear of being sued.

Which is what Asshat has said repeatedly, that he won't read any unsolicited manuscripts sent to him, to protect himself. (Because, after all, it's all about HIM.)

Who else was on that panel, I wonder. I wonder if they gave the same sort of shithead answer?

I also wonder if this isn't him trying to deny claims that he has pinched most of the ideas in his books from other authors.

Well, here's how that plays: even IFF he didn't lift the ideas, he merely reinvented the wheel AFTER someone else had come up with it. :lol:
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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

Postby SandChigger » 30 Jan 2011 16:56

Hey, the first guy responds on page 5 (#83):

To be fair, a lot of authors don't read other fantasy for fear of being sued.

Indeed. This came up during the panel as well. For fear of being 'influenced' by what they are reading. Connie Willis stated that she reads absolute /nothing/ when she is writing something (other than reference material).

That wasn't the vibe I got from old Kevin J. More to the affect that he just doesn't rate anyone else's shit that high. The guy just came off dickish and very self important. The mother-fucker cut off Mrs. Willis (Sci-Fi Bad Ass) once for FSM sake!
I have heard of only one mistake that doesn’t have an explanation for a careful reader...with an open mind. (And, no, I’m not going to tell you what it is!) —KJA

I don't like every writer's style; for instance, I have never been able to get through Ursula LeGuin, China Mieville, or Iain Banks, all of whom are critical darlings. —KJA

I...had written a bunch of Star Wars and X-Files books...that proved not just that I'm a hack, but that I could write in somebody else's universe... —KJA

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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

Postby Kojiro » 30 Jan 2011 17:17

Robspierre wrote:http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/47444-most-craptastic-novels/page__st__40

Post #60

Bold to add my emphasis.

I went to a panel he sat on this weekend at CoSine here in colorado springs. The panel was called, 'Should writers read in their genre?'.
I didn't know much about good old Kevin J, other than some Star Wars novels i read when i was 12 and the general distaste everyone has for him due to the Dune novels (i tried reading one and couldn't finish).
Anywho, when asked about his opinion on the subject of the panel he said, and i'm not making this shit up: "Well, I'm kind of a big name in Sci Fi, so i get a lot of stories out of slush piles for the anthologies i'm asked to edit, and new authors wanting me to read their work. I rarely read them. I really only interested in the things i'm working on, and the books i'm writing. So, no, i don't read within the genre if i can help it.'

I thought he was just fucking around, but as the panel went on, and questions were thrown at him, i realized that this guy really takes himself seriously. He doesn't realize that he is one of the most hated authors in our little corner of the world, and that his entire career is based on him writing about shit that he didn't make up (For Fuck's sake, he even ripped of L. Ron Hubbard, you can't get much lower than that). Only attempting to continue a story that has already been established, and not doing very well at it anymore.

So ya, fuck Kevin J. Anderson.



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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

Postby TheDukester » 30 Jan 2011 18:28

He's like a parody of a real person.
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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

Postby Sev » 30 Jan 2011 19:35

A delusional hack wrote:Well, I'm kind of a big name in Sci Fi...


Bloody hell, he really believes this doesn't he :laughing:
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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

Postby D Pope » 30 Jan 2011 19:47

TheDukester wrote:He's like a parody of a real person.

Would you mind very much if I used that in my signature, Dukester? The funny in Ivans disclaimer is wearing thin. You know, that was actually part of an e-mail he wrote to me about securing rights to some old movie images for a book idea I had.

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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

Postby TheDukester » 30 Jan 2011 21:06

One is happy to be of service. It's all yours.
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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

Postby inhuien » 31 Jan 2011 07:11

Sev wrote:
A delusional hack wrote:Well, I'm kind of a big name in Sci Fi...


Bloody hell, he really believes this doesn't he :laughing:

It's akin to saying Andrei Chikatilo is a big name in criminology, it's not a fucking compliment you stain of a man, fucking chocolate fireguard.

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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

Postby SandChigger » 31 Jan 2011 14:58

:lol:

:shock:

Um... that just made me think of Cesar Millan. And not in a good way. :(

Eeeeew.
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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

Postby Hunchback Jack » 01 Feb 2011 03:24

Re: Big name in SF, etc.

My God, it's full of douchebaggery!

Re: interrupting Connie Willis.

Ah, that might explain his behaviour. See, I'm thinking KJA can recognize a real writer. I've read some of Willis's stuff, and while it's a bit wordy, and her time travel series has become a bit repetitive, she can write.

Now, KJA would like to think he's one of her peers, or - God help him - that he's a class above her because of all his bestsellers while she's taken nine years to write her latest novel. But he knows she's won handful of Hugos, and that he doesn't deserve to be on the same panel as her.

So of course he acted like a complete ass.

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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

Postby SandChigger » 01 Feb 2011 03:33

Good points. ;)

While reading more Reynolds this morning it also occurred to me that one other reason he might not read too much in the genre is that it would be difficult not to realize how much better so many other people write than he himself can. That would fit nicely with your point about him being able to recognize such people.
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Re: The Craft of Writing (Work in Progress)

Postby Hunchback Jack » 01 Feb 2011 03:39

True enough.

I was also thinking about his "big name in sf" comment. His insecurity might have been showing ;).

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