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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

Postby SandRider » 01 Apr 2010 21:32

lotek wrote:
MrFlibble wrote: it seems to me that whole story with Wanna's artificial uterus in House Corrino


wtf?
wtf?

WTF?

WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!

this is even worse than I thought, holy mary mother of god I feel sick :puke:


I did that alot when I first started hanging around here - I've only read a few pages of the hack's
first dune comic-without-pictures ... somebody'd say something outrageous out of the new books,
and I'd rage .... now, I don't care - I'm immune to the details of how Keith has fucked up the story ....

if you told me he'd written the worms themselves create spice without the trout, I'd believe it.
if you told me he'd written Paul spent his childhood before Arrakis Johnny Questing around the
universe with evil singing clowns, I'd not be surprised ...

if you told me he'd written Shaddam had a clone army on Secundus, or that the wierding modules
were now light sabres, I'd yawn ....
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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

Postby A Thing of Eternity » 02 Apr 2010 03:07

SandRider wrote:
lotek wrote:
MrFlibble wrote: it seems to me that whole story with Wanna's artificial uterus in House Corrino


wtf?
wtf?

WTF?

WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!

this is even worse than I thought, holy mary mother of god I feel sick :puke:


I did that alot when I first started hanging around here - I've only read a few pages of the hack's
first dune comic-without-pictures ... somebody'd say something outrageous out of the new books,
and I'd rage .... now, I don't care - I'm immune to the details of how Keith has fucked up the story ....

if you told me he'd written the worms themselves create spice without the trout, I'd believe it.
if you told me he'd written Paul spent his childhood before Arrakis Johnny Questing around the
universe with evil singing clowns, I'd not be surprised ...

if you told me he'd written Shaddam had a clone army on Secundus, or that the wierding modules
were now light sabres, I'd yawn ....


:shock:


:lol: :lol: :lol: I'm not sure if you just started with one you knew was real to make your point, or if you were actually unaware of the fact... but he has actually written passages where worms create spice all by themselves (in the no-ship from Chapterhouse).
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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

Postby Orthodox » 02 Apr 2010 03:10

SandRider wrote:
lotek wrote:
MrFlibble wrote: it seems to me that whole story with Wanna's artificial uterus in House Corrino


wtf?
wtf?

WTF?

WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!

this is even worse than I thought, holy mary mother of god I feel sick :puke:


I did that alot when I first started hanging around here - I've only read a few pages of the hack's
first dune comic-without-pictures ... somebody'd say something outrageous out of the new books,
and I'd rage .... now, I don't care - I'm immune to the details of how Keith has fucked up the story ....

if you told me he'd written the worms themselves create spice without the trout, I'd believe it.
if you told me he'd written Paul spent his childhood before Arrakis Johnny Questing around the
universe with evil singing clowns, I'd not be surprised ...

if you told me he'd written Shaddam had a clone army on Secundus, or that the wierding modules
were now light sabres, I'd yawn ....


You think that now, but just wait until someone gets enough points from the Fun Club to write the plotline to a new Dune book. Just wait, it will happen. You will see an EXTREMIST FAN of KJA (Not DUNE) write plot for a DUNE book. Just wait, it'll happen when they run out of ways to rape the series. They'll start publishing Fanfics of Dune. And call it "Alternate Canon".
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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

Postby lotek » 02 Apr 2010 07:43

two reasons this will never happen

1° KJA will never run out of shit ideas
2° KJA will never let anyone have a go at Dune for fear they'd do a better job than him
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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

Postby SandChigger » 02 Apr 2010 08:22

Orthodox wrote:They'll start publishing Fanfics of Dune.

They've published NOTHING ELSE for the last ten years. :P
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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

Postby lotek » 02 Apr 2010 09:18

SandChigger wrote:
Orthodox wrote:They'll start publishing Fanfics of Dune.

They've published NOTHING ELSE for the last ten years. :P


and that as well :)
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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

Postby Tleszer » 02 Apr 2010 11:30

Hopefully inspiration will strike my fuzzy head and I'll start up with the "fan" fiction once again. Unfortunately the voices have been pretty silent for a while.

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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

Postby tenfingersofdoom » 09 Jun 2010 03:21

frank herberts belief of superheroes as a corrupting influence is exactly what Briomnius talked about in his new introduction to the hardcover re-release of dune messiah. I cant even sum up the ridiculousness. It hurts my brain.
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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

Postby SandChigger » 09 Jun 2010 04:07

More proof that BH has nothing to do with the writing of McDune? ;)

(How many pages is that intro, btw?)
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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

Postby MrFlibble » 09 Jun 2010 09:00

Or maybe it's a sign of utter audacity (and something to support your conspiracy theory ;)): he does understand Frank's ideas, yet he still allowed/decided to do everything otherwise in the new books?
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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

Postby merkin muffley » 09 Jun 2010 11:00

lotek wrote:Image

from the Dune Saga facebook group, in which I can still post apparently, even though some of my comments are deleted :)



There's absolutely no excuse for deleting that facebook post. It's a Frank Herbert quote, for godsakes. There's enough contempt for Frank Herbert that I might believe Brain was doing it on purpose, if I hadn't read excerpts from Timeweb, and can see that he isn't capable of doing any better.

Wanna had an artificial uterus? DAYUMMM! She had a rough life, didn't she? And I guess Irulan got it wrong again in her Dune novel when she had Yueh wonder why Wanna didn't give him a child. "Uhhh... Maybe because she didn't have a real uterus!? HELLOOO!? Earth to Irulan!" I can see why Brian hates Irulan so much. (Wait a minute... Brain hates Irulan, Irulan wrote Dune...)

EDIT: Never mind, that's petitio principii
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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

Postby TheDukester » 09 Jun 2010 11:08

So they're deleting interesting quotes from Frank Herbert now? God, they're so far gone up their own asses that they have no hope of ever seeing actual daylight again.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

Postby Hunchback Jack » 09 Jun 2010 11:46

Laugh. It's funny. Tragic, but funny.

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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

Postby lotek » 09 Jun 2010 14:57

the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing?
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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

Postby merkin muffley » 09 Jun 2010 16:52

lotek wrote:the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing?


The right hand is always wanking, so the left hand doesn't even bother to check anymore. Hence, "Spanky McDune."
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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

Postby tenfingersofdoom » 09 Jun 2010 19:06

I think the intro was maybe about 4 to 5 pages, I didnt buy the book, I just read the intro while shopping at barnes and noble. Brian said alot about how critics called dune messiah the biggest let down of the year, I believe it was a rolling stone quote. He also went on to give a concise accout of franks beliefs, with frank using the kennedys as a real world example of his argument against heroes. It really is worth a read if you can do it without paying for the book.
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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

Postby SandChigger » 09 Jun 2010 20:07

tenfingersofdoom wrote:I think the intro was maybe about 4 to 5 pages, I didnt buy the book, I just read the intro while shopping at barnes and noble. Brian said alot about how critics called dune messiah the biggest let down of the year, I believe it was a rolling stone quote. He also went on to give a concise accout of franks beliefs, with frank using the kennedys as a real world example of his argument against heroes. It really is worth a read if you can do it without paying for the book.

OK, thanks. Yeah, I'm definitely not going to buy a new copy of the book just for BoBo's take on it and other things ... which sounds a lot like the stuff KJA was slinging at one point, come to think of it.... :think:
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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

Postby MrFlibble » 10 Jun 2010 11:21

merkin muffley wrote:Wanna had an artificial uterus? DAYUMMM! She had a rough life, didn't she? And I guess Irulan got it wrong again in her Dune novel when she had Yueh wonder why Wanna didn't give him a child. "Uhhh... Maybe because she didn't have a real uterus!? HELLOOO!? Earth to Irulan!" I can see why Brian hates Irulan so much. (Wait a minute... Brain hates Irulan, Irulan wrote Dune...)

Not to mention the fact that the whole "artificial uterus" ( :puke: ) story and its continuation in the newest books make the original Yueh look like an incompetent idiot: what kind of a doctor could he be if he was incapable of correctly diagnosing his wife's condition?
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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

Postby lotek » 10 Jun 2010 15:07

merkin muffley wrote:
lotek wrote:the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing?


The right hand is always wanking, so the left hand doesn't even bother to check anymore. Hence, "Spanky McDune."


and suddenly it all makes sense!
:)


As for the artificial uterus; I am pretty sure there is a strong ban/taboo on using artificial means of reproduction in the Imperium.
When the Sisterhood is either trying to mate Paul and Alia or the twins(not sure which one I am back from the pub), someone considers the possibility of artificial insemination or something but also says such a birth would not be accepted.
One could argue that a lot of forbidden things happen, but we're talking strict feudal society based on a massive taboo against artificial intelligence, so...
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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

Postby merkin muffley » 10 Jun 2010 16:08

MrFlibble wrote:Not to mention the fact that the whole "artificial uterus" ( :puke: ) story and its continuation in the newest books make the original Yueh look like an incompetent idiot: what kind of a doctor could he be if he was incapable of correctly diagnosing his wife's condition?


I don't know how he passed his exams.

lotek wrote:As for the artificial uterus; I am pretty sure there is a strong ban/taboo on using artificial means of reproduction in the Imperium.
When the Sisterhood is either trying to mate Paul and Alia or the twins(not sure which one I am back from the pub), someone considers the possibility of artificial insemination or something but also says such a birth would not be accepted.
One could argue that a lot of forbidden things happen, but we're talking strict feudal society based on a massive taboo against artificial intelligence, so...


That's another massive inconsistency. The prohibitions against artificial breeding, as part of the religious taboos against machines, are a critical part of Dune Messiah. It's another thing that makes you wonder if they've ever read the books, because that's a big one. And all at the expense of a stupid idea, because they don't know how to create drama without killing or maiming their characters.
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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

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merkin muffley wrote:
MrFlibble wrote:Not to mention the fact that the whole "artificial uterus" ( :puke: ) story and its continuation in the newest books make the original Yueh look like an incompetent idiot: what kind of a doctor could he be if he was incapable of correctly diagnosing his wife's condition?


I don't know how he passed his exams.

lotek wrote:As for the artificial uterus; I am pretty sure there is a strong ban/taboo on using artificial means of reproduction in the Imperium.
When the Sisterhood is either trying to mate Paul and Alia or the twins(not sure which one I am back from the pub), someone considers the possibility of artificial insemination or something but also says such a birth would not be accepted.
One could argue that a lot of forbidden things happen, but we're talking strict feudal society based on a massive taboo against artificial intelligence, so...


That's another massive inconsistency. The prohibitions against artificial breeding, as part of the religious taboos against machines, are a critical part of Dune Messiah. It's another thing that makes you wonder if they've ever read the books, because that's a big one. And all at the expense of a stupid idea, because they don't know how to create drama without killing or maiming their characters.



I think a lot of us are past wondering. If he read it, it was while watching Star Wars on one TV and Terminator 3 on another.
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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

Postby Omphalos » 10 Jun 2010 19:49

Didn't Fidel Castro get an artifical anus?

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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

Postby SandChigger » 10 Jun 2010 20:08

Two, actually. He holds the cigars in the second.

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Re: why Duncan Idaho's ultra KH is bullshit

Postby lotek » 10 Jun 2010 20:27

A good ole fashionned ZING for Fidel!

God the hack and his remora truly are like a blackholsistency, a word I just made up(oh you had guessed?), they make consistency disappear like a black hole absorbs light...
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