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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby SandChigger » 06 Oct 2010 02:13

Well, TheKJA tries to project this image of himself as Everyman, so maybe it's just easy to look at it like every hack is the same hack, and every bad writer is the same bad writer, and TheKJA is the source of all evil and hungry kittens in the world... ;)
I have heard of only one mistake that doesn’t have an explanation for a careful reader...with an open mind. (And, no, I’m not going to tell you what it is!) —KJA

I don't like every writer's style; for instance, I have never been able to get through Ursula LeGuin, China Mieville, or Iain Banks, all of whom are critical darlings. —KJA

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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby Kojiro » 06 Oct 2010 02:31

I still think it's because of centrifugal force, but isn't that a bit more primitive than Star Trek's usual gravitational floor plating?
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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby TheDukester » 06 Oct 2010 10:35

" ... invisible jetsam, the ethereal flotsam ..."

Just awful.

It's like reading fanfic from a 12-year-old who wants to sound really important.
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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby lotek » 06 Oct 2010 10:37

look at meeee!!!!!!
I've gotta dictionnareeee!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby dunaddict » 06 Oct 2010 12:37

D Pope wrote:I don't think Ks ego would allow him to dictahike below his 'ability.'

edit; He's not the first fortysomething juvinile.

If KJA's other novels are just as juvenile, that can only mean three things for Brian Herbert in the McDunes:
- He is dumbing down his own writing style.
- He writes in the same juvenile style.
- He doesn't write them at all.

Anyone read BH's solo novels? For adults or kids?

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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby SadisticCynic » 06 Oct 2010 14:48

Slightly off the current topic but I just found this in an Amazon review for the One Ring as a piece of jewellery:

Did Amazon really say "Celebrate Peter Jackson's greatest trilogy"? What about JRRT? He didn't just scribble the script on the back of a napkin.


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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby Tleszer » 06 Oct 2010 15:02

Nice! :lol:
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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby SandChigger » 06 Oct 2010 17:25

dunaddict wrote:Anyone read BH's solo novels? For adults or kids?

I've only read Sidney's Comet and skimmed/spot-read bits of the first volume of his Timeweb series (Mr Teg has read the whole thing, tho). I might have liked Comet better if I'd read it back when it was written, when I was in my 20s. Instead I read it after the McDune stuff and seeing the Timeweb book, so at first it seemed worlds better than those, but repetition of the same old shtick (is it satire or farce?) throughout got REALLY OLD after a while, and by the end I was slogging through it just to get it over and done with and be able to say I'd read the whole thing.

The Timeweb book is just awful. It not only feels like it was written FOR a ten-year-old, it reads like it was written BY one. I've never seen any of the trilogy in a bookstore, but if you ever do come across one of them someday, think seriously before wasting even a few minutes of your life by browsing through it.

Simply BAD. After seeing what he's supposedly writing on his own, it became much, much easier to believe that he is contributing nothing to the writing of the McDune crap. Yes, that's how bad it is.
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I don't like every writer's style; for instance, I have never been able to get through Ursula LeGuin, China Mieville, or Iain Banks, all of whom are critical darlings. —KJA

I...had written a bunch of Star Wars and X-Files books...that proved not just that I'm a hack, but that I could write in somebody else's universe... —KJA

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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby Hunchback Jack » 06 Oct 2010 17:36

I saw the first two Timeweb books - in hardcover - in my local library. So I'm guessing I have proximal preeqs.

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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby SandChigger » 06 Oct 2010 17:54

Eeew.

Call city hall and see if you can have someone spray. :)

(If they've been left too long, though, you'll probably have to burn them out. :? )

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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby SandRider » 06 Oct 2010 21:31

jumping back a few posts, I think the reason there are not more mainstream negative
reviews of Keith by literary critics is that he just isn't on their radar; no-one in the
adult world would take him or his work (and by association then, McDune) seriously;

I wouldn't expect to see a review of WarHammer: Beyond the Armour of Blood IV - Revenge of the Sleestak
in the Sunday NY Times Book Review;

the lack of any discussion at all among the real literary critics is more revealing
of where Keith actually stands in the publishing world ...

besides, what could they say?
Horrible. Really bad.

Is this a novel or the back of a cereal box ?

Hello, Mrs. McPhee ? Yes, could you please fire whatever dolt what put this drivel on my desk ?
Yes, thank you. Yes, a kick in the arse would be appropriate, I should think ..

Moreso than the juvenile and unimaginative scribblings of Anderson, who is most likely doing the
best he can, what is disturbing is the judgment of Frank Herbert's estate, for one: allowing Anderson
to attempt to write a Dune book when he is obviously not qualified; two: actually publishing the
failed attempt; but, and this is the unfathomable part, three: continuing to allow Anderson to write
Dune novels, and publishing them as well.


and that's just not a story...
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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby SandChigger » 06 Oct 2010 22:13

SandRider wrote:and that's just not a story...

Well, it is, actually, just not one sufficiently novel or unique to attract their attention or warrant their interest. ;)
I have heard of only one mistake that doesn’t have an explanation for a careful reader...with an open mind. (And, no, I’m not going to tell you what it is!) —KJA

I don't like every writer's style; for instance, I have never been able to get through Ursula LeGuin, China Mieville, or Iain Banks, all of whom are critical darlings. —KJA

I...had written a bunch of Star Wars and X-Files books...that proved not just that I'm a hack, but that I could write in somebody else's universe... —KJA

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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby D Pope » 06 Oct 2010 22:57

You both make a good point. I admit to an amount of tunnel vision, not hard these days to get too wrapped up in my own little world. Thanks for the reality check.
Leto II is gone for good, except for OM. The "pearl" was just that; a miniscule portion of what Leto was, and not a compressed version of the whole. The pearl that the worms have do not make them Leto, or in any way similar to him.
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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby merkin muffley » 06 Oct 2010 23:43

SandRider wrote:I wouldn't expect to see a review of WarHammer: Beyond the Armour of Blood IV - Revenge of the Sleestak
in the Sunday NY Times Book Review


Yeah, it's terrible. The continuation of books in the Dune should be worthy of attention from critics, but they're so obviously bad they're not even on the radar. It's a truly despicable thing they've done.
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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby SandChigger » 07 Oct 2010 02:48

No one at NYT has touched the new books since Hunters, so far as I know.

(That was the famous "Dune babies" review. :lol: )
I have heard of only one mistake that doesn’t have an explanation for a careful reader...with an open mind. (And, no, I’m not going to tell you what it is!) —KJA

I don't like every writer's style; for instance, I have never been able to get through Ursula LeGuin, China Mieville, or Iain Banks, all of whom are critical darlings. —KJA

I...had written a bunch of Star Wars and X-Files books...that proved not just that I'm a hack, but that I could write in somebody else's universe... —KJA

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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby TheDukester » 07 Oct 2010 11:02

Is that also the one that Keith always refers to as his NYT Notable Book "award"?
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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby Ampoliros » 11 Mar 2011 23:37

Just saw this and thought I'd share.
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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby Omphalos » 12 Mar 2011 01:07

Ultra-whip.

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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby Kojiro » 12 Mar 2011 01:15

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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby Nekhrun » 12 Mar 2011 07:13

Ampoliros wrote:Just saw this and thought I'd share.
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http://www.epictail.com/2009/05/04/dune-legacy/

I love the drawings. Keith looks every bit at pathetic as he does in real life. I like how the artist isn't buying the shit about him having hair on the top of his head either. Any Bobo's pubic tornado is about as coiled as ever.

The writing though could use some work, because I don't think they ever considered Frank's writing that much while working on the books.
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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby Ampoliros » 12 Mar 2011 23:09

In my study of the hacks writing 'skill', the use of the exclamation point in this comic is spot on.

I think Kev truly believes that the mere presence of an exclamation point makes something exciting!
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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby TheDukester » 13 Mar 2011 14:28

Great stuff. I especially love Kevvie's little Jabba arms reaching for the keys ...

What's scary, though, is that there's likely a ton of truth in the comic. That's how Spanky operates: he's a producer of widgets, able to fill any order on time. A quick Dune widget is no more difficult or time-consuming than a Star Wars widget or a Seven Suns widget or whatever. Assembly-line fiction, baby ...
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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby Robspierre » 13 Mar 2011 22:23

Ampoliros wrote:In my study of the hacks writing 'skill', the use of the exclamation point in this comic is spot on.

I think Kev truly believes that the mere presence of an exclamation point makes something exciting!


That is exactly how he uses the exclamation point. It's all over the "Meet the people of Hellhole" posts he's been making.

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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby D Pope » 20 Mar 2011 11:10

dataline: turdfire
The Sagging Suns of Liturature continue, almost;
14evin wrote:A few months ago I started work on an ambitious proposal for a new standalone trilogy set in the Seven Suns universe, developed and expanded it to the point where I felt comfortable submitting it to publishers.
My British publisher, Simon & Schuster UK, has just made a very nice offer for British rights to the trilogy, so I can make this announcement. We’re still negotiating with US publishers, but I will be starting the outline process for the first book.


But wait there's more! It looks like Brian has tried to reconcile his dalliance;
14evin wrote:We gave our talk, describing some of the Hellhole background, our upcoming projects, and Brian’s new chapbook “Stormworld,” coauthored with Bruce Taylor, who had also visited us in Seattle; Bruce is the editor of the forthcoming magical realism anthology, Like Water for Quarks, in which both Brian and I have contributions.


If anyone is interested, there's a photo of 14evin hunched over to sign a book. (I guess) It's worth seeing- he looks like the sort of fellow who would live under a bridge so he could harrass goats that want to cross. Also, it's probably just me, there's something about his head in that picture that reminds me of the face on Mars...
Leto II is gone for good, except for OM. The "pearl" was just that; a miniscule portion of what Leto was, and not a compressed version of the whole. The pearl that the worms have do not make them Leto, or in any way similar to him.
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Re: Everybody Hates Keith

Postby SandChigger » 20 Mar 2011 11:29

Like Water for Quarkslet?

How fucking original! And oh so clever! :roll:

:lol:

God I hate these shitheads... :mad:
I have heard of only one mistake that doesn’t have an explanation for a careful reader...with an open mind. (And, no, I’m not going to tell you what it is!) —KJA

I don't like every writer's style; for instance, I have never been able to get through Ursula LeGuin, China Mieville, or Iain Banks, all of whom are critical darlings. —KJA

I...had written a bunch of Star Wars and X-Files books...that proved not just that I'm a hack, but that I could write in somebody else's universe... —KJA


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