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San Diego Union
April 15, 1990
front page article

HUBBARD HOT-AUTHOR STATUS CALLED ILLUSION

by Mike McIntyre

In 1981, St. Martin's Press was offered a sure thing.
L. Ron Hubbard, the pulp writer turned religious leader,
had written his first science-fiction novel in more than 30 years.
If St. Martin's published it, Hubbard aides promised
the firm, subsidiary organizations of Hubbard's Church of
Scientology would buy at least 15,000 copies.
"Battlefield Earth," priced at $24.95, was released the
next year in hardcover, rare for a science-fiction title.
Despite mixed reviews, the book quickly sold 120,000 copies -
enough to place it on The New York Times best-seller list.
"Five, six, seven people at a time would come in, with
cash in hand, buying the book," said Dave Dutton, of Dutton's
Books, a group of four stores in the Los Angeles area.
"They'd blindly ask for the book. They would buy two or
three copies at a time with $50 bills. I had the suspicion
that there was something not quite right about it."

Dutton only suspected what others claim to know for fact.
The book's sudden success, say dozens of former Scien-
tologists and book dealers, was the result of a church plan
to create the illusion of L. Ron Hubbard as a hot author.
The church, they say, sustains the myth - 15 New York Times
best sellers and counting - through dubious marketing tactics
and the manipulation of an obedient flock of consumers.
The church's orchestration of best sellers, say former
Scientologists, is merely a public relations means to a
larger end. The goal is to establish an identity for Hubbard
other than as the founder of a controversial religious move-
ment. His broadened appeal can then be used to recruit new
members into the Church of Scientology.
The church uses two businesses to peddle its books, Author
Services Inc., a Hollywood literary agency, sells the rights
to publish Hubbard's works to Bridge Publications Inc., a Los
Angeles company.
A Church of Scientology spokeswoman, Leisa Goodman, said
that the church, Author Services and Bridge are seperate and
independent. But former Scientology officials say that
Bridge and Author Services are staffed almost exclusively by
Scientologists and operate within the church hierarchy.
"Author Services used to always think of schemes to make
more money," said Vicki Azneran, the former inspector general
of the Religious Technology Center, an organization that
former church members say runs the entire Scientology empire.
"Bridge gets the money from a totally controlled cult popula-
tion.
"They send people into bookstores. You get a phone call:
'Your job is to go down to the B. Dalton. Take as many
people as you need to buy up all the books so they'll have to
reorder.'"
Numerous calls to Author Services were not returned.
Church and Bridge officials denied that sales of Hubbard's
books have been artificially inflated.
But others dispute that claim, saying the church perfected
its technique through the 1980s. After the success with St.
Martin's, a reputable New York publisher, Bridge took over.
Its 1983 paperback release of "Battlefield Earth" was a best
seller. Around the same time, Bridge's re-issue of
"Dianetics," the scripture of Scientology that Hubbard wrote
in 1950, returned to best seller lists.
Hubbard's death in January 1986 did not break the streak.
From 1985 to 1987, Bridge published Hubbard's 10-volume
science-fiction series, "Mission Earth." All 10 books were
hardcover best sellers. Subsequent paperback releases of the
early volumes also were best sellers. And, if form follows,
the volumes yet to be released in paperback also will be best
sellers.
At the close of the '80s, Bridge claimed Hubbard's books
had generated $90 million in revenues for the publishing in-
dustry. But unlike the cases of Tom Clancy or Danielle
Steele, L. Ron Hubbard's meteoric rise as a best-selling au-
thor may have little to do with readers.
"We were told to go out and buy a bunch of copies of
'Battlefield Earth' so it would become a best seller," said
Dr. Frank Gerbode, the former head of the Scientology mission
in Palo Alto. "The arguement we were given was, if he became
famous again as a science-fiction writer, it would improve
his status."
Aznaran, who defected from the church in 1987, said
Scientologists comply because the church teaches them that
the future of their religion and their souls is linked to the
success of Hubbard's novels.
"Scientologists are told they're supposed to buy lots of
those books," Aznaran said. "They're told they're helping
save the world with Scientology. If they can create a good
image for Hubbard, they will be assured spiritual salvation."

MANUFACTURING A BEST SELLER

There was a time when Hubbard's fiction required no arti-
ficial boosts to succeed. In the 1930's, he was a popular
and enormously prolific pulp adventure writer, publishing
millions of words.
In 1938, Hubbard switched genres. With writers such as
Robert Heinlein, Isaac Asimov and A.E. Van Vogt, he ushered
in the Golden Age of science fiction. His heroes tended to
be supermen who drew on highly developed mental powers to
save the world. By the late 1940s, nearly 100 of his novels
had been published, including "Final Blackout," an early
classic of the field.
But his voluminous output did not translate into wealth.
"Writing science fiction for about a penny a word is no
way to make a living," Hubbard said to a 1947 gathering of
the Eastern Science Fiction Association. "If you really want
to make a million, the quickest way is to start your own re-
ligion."
The remark proved prophetic. Hubbard founded the Church
of Scientology in 1955 and started amassing his fortune. By
the time of his death in 1986, reported Forbes magazine, his
organization was worth $400 million.
Nearing the end of his life, the cult leader apparently
grew nostalgic for his first vocation. "I'm very proud of
also being known as a science-fiction writer," Hubbard wrote
in his introduction to "Battlefield Earth." The book, he
said, "celebrates my golden wedding with the muse. Fifty
years a professional - 1930-1980."
Harvey Haber, a former Scientologist who served as
Hubbard's literary aide, was dispatched to New York to sell
the manuscript. Hubbard demanded that the book be repre-
sented by a major literary agency and placed with one of the
10 largest publishers. The church and Bridge Publications
were to play no role.
"He wanted to prove to everyone and all that he still had
it," Haber said. "That he was the best in the world."
But 58 New York literary agencies thought otherwise, Haber
said. "Not one of them would touch it." In Haber's opinion,
"The book was a piece of s---."

Church officials didn't dare tell Hubbard his book was
unmarketable, said Haber. "You would've been handed your
head." Thus, he said, was hatched the plan to offer guaran-
teed sales in return for publication.
Even that was not enough for some publishers. David
Hartwell, who in 1981 was director of science fiction at
Simon & Schuster, declined to publish "Battlefield Earth" de-
spite guaranteed sales of 35,000 copies. "I didn't think it
was a terribly good book," Hartwell said.
Hubbard's aides then knocked on St. Martin's door, and the
publisher welcomed them in.
The book was published in August 1982. The church, Haber
said, transferred funds from its international reserves to
buy 25,000 copies of "Battlefield Earth" from St. Martin's.
Bridge Publications and its European affiliate, New Era Pub-
lications, were then ordered to replace the money. About the
same time, Author Services was created, allegedly to manage
Hubbard's finances and those of the church.
St. Martin's senior editor Michael Denneny confirmed that
a deal was struck. He recalled, however, that Author Ser-
vices guaranteed to buy 15,000 to 20,000 copies. But when
"Battlefield Earth" was published, he said, Author Services
bought more copies than originally promised.
"The Author Services people were very rambunctious,"
Denneny said. "They wanted to make it a New York Times best
seller. They were obsessed by that."
When "Battlefield Earth" reached the shelves, the Cult
Awareness Network, a national non-profit clearinghouse for
information on cults, started hearing from book dealers in
the New York area.
"Bookstores were calling us and asking what was
happening," said Priscilla Coates, then director of the
network. "People were calling them up and ordering multiple
copies. The largest (order) was over 100."
Some Scientologists noticed that these tactics had a fa-
miliar ring to them. Hana Whitfield, a personal aide to
Hubbard from 1967 to 1977, said the Scientology leader rou-
tinely issued "project orders" in the 1970s to buy
"Dianetics."
Church members were given lump sums of up to $50,000,
Whitfield said, and sent to book stores.
"Some of them had a quota. For example: 'Buy 50 copies
from this B. Dalton on this street every two weeks.' Or:
'Buy 50 copies from that Waldenbooks on that street every
other week.'
"As they were bought, they would be disposed of, or given
to libraries, or stored in warehouses, or sent back to the
printer and recycled."
A Riverside librarian recalled that throughout the '70s,
the county's 30 branches frequently received donated copies
of "Dianetics." "I remember they used to come in boxes...
about five books per box," said Billie Dancy, head of the
Riverside Central Library. "They'd arrive in the mail."
The church's techniques were a bit more refined when
Hubbard resumed his literary career in the early 1980s.
Vicki Aznaran said each of Scientology's 419 subsidiary
organizations and missions has orders to fund a seperate
checking account called "The Book Account." Bridge Publica-
tions, she said, is a signatory on all of the accounts.
"Bridge holds the checkbooks," Aznaran said. "Bridge just
writes checks to itself.
"All Scientology organizations are required to buy so many
books. They are just shipped the books. They have ware-
houses full of books. Bridge just had books printed. They
have this captive purchasing group that has no choice in buy-
ing them. It would be like Stephen King billing B. Dalton
for books it didn't want."
There are numerous stories of Scientologists being coerced
to buy Hubbard's books. Gerbode, the former head of the Palo
Alto mission, said he was required to stock 100 copies of ev-
ery Hubbard title. "We ended up with a huge storeroom of
books we couldn't get rid of," he said.
Bent Corydon, the former head of the Riverside mission,
said in his unauthorized biography of Hubbard that he was
once ordered to sell his flock 1,000 copies of "Battlefield
Earth" or lose his mission.
In "L. Ron Hubbard: Messiah or Madman?" (co-authored with
L. Ron Hubbard Jr.), Corydon also recalled a 1982 meeting
where mission holders were given a directive by Wendall
Reynolds, introduced as the International Finance Dictator.
Reynolds, Corydon wrote, said that from then on each mission
would be required to pay 5 percent of its income to a TV ad-
vertising campaign for "Dianetics."

SELLING THE 'DOORSTOP'

At 819 pages, "Battlefield Earth" was thought at the time
to be the longest science-fiction novel ever published. But
it was only a preview of what was to follow.
Readers contemplating the 10-volume "Mission Earth," a
sprawling saga of an alien invasion, were faced with more
than 5,000 pages and 1,354,000 words.
The science-fiction community refers to the series as "a
doorstop," said Bruce Pelz, a UCLA librarian and science-
fiction historian.
The New York Times gave up after the first volume, dis-
missing it as "a paralyzingly slow-moving adventure enlivend
by interludes of kinky sex, sendups of effeminate homosexuals
and a disregard of conventional grammar so global as to sug-
gest a satire on the possibility of communication through
language."
But like "Dianetics" and "Battlefield Earth" before it,
copies of "Mission Earth" almost flew off the shelves.
Once again, former church officials say, a captive audi-
ence of Scientologists was marshaled to move the books
through the checkout stands and onto the best-seller lists.
But by now, the church had also fine-tuned a complex market-
ing apparatus. The tactics employed ranged from innovative
and aggressive advertising to almost giveaway discounts of-
fered to stores reporting to best-seller lists.
The most visible marketing method has been old-fashioned
promotion, where Bridge Publications stands alone in the book
industry.
Bridge advertises nationally on television, a rarity in
publishing. There are national print ads, radio spots, L.
Ron Hubbard billboards. In the current Spring Announcements
issue of Publishers Weekly, the bible of the book industry,
Bridge is the only publisher with a full-color three-page
display. It is also one of the few publishers to pursue the
military market, advertising in Stars and Stripes.
Bridge is perhaps the only publisher involved in sports
marketing, sponsoring Indy 500 and Le Mans race cars. Broad-
casts of California Angels and San Fransisco Giants baseball
games are sponsored in part by Bridge. And Bridge is a major
sponsor of this summer's Goodwill Games in Seattle.
Celebrity Scientologists, including actress Karen Black
and musician Chick Corea, stump for Bridge on radio and TV
shows. There are parades and mall appearances by science-
fiction characters from Hubbard's books. A "Mission Earth"
album by rocker Edgar Winter. Posters, banners, fliers,
bumper stickers, buttons. At book conventions, lavish par-
ties complete with champagne and chocolate-dipped fruit.
When retailers place orders by phone with Ingram Book Co.,
the nation's largest wholesaler, they frequently hear clerks
recite paid ads for Hubbard's books.
Hubbard's books are prominently displayed at B. Dalton and
Waldenbooks outlets - often in the prime floor space near the
door - in flashy cardboard cases provided by the publisher.
Bridge is a frequent advertiser in the chains' catalogs and
newsletters. Bridge also generously funds "co-op" ads, book-
store ads subsidized by a publisher.
All of this costs a great deal of money. Bridge senior
vice president Mark McKinstry declined to reveal the pub-
lisher's operating budget. But former employees said funds
available to market Hubbard's books are virtually without
limit.
"You can't think of Bridge as a normal business or pub-
lisher. They are like the world's largest vanity press,"
said Mary Mason, who worked in promotions for Bridge during
release of the "Mission Earth" series.
"They pour more money into promoting those books than most
major publishers would spend on an entire line of books. The
whole thing is set up to lose money. If Bridge ever wound up
making money, I don't think they'd know what to do."
Bob Erdmann, a publishing consultant for Bridge from 1982
to 1988, said his former client is without comparison in the
industry.
"You weren't limited by resources like other publishing
houses are," he said.
There are also those who contend there are no limits on
the discounts Bridge offers certain customers.
McKinstry said the publisher sells its books to retail
stores at a discount of 50 percent to 52 percent - a rate he
called "standard." But two book dealers once among those
surveyed for The New York Times best-seller lists said Bridge
has been willing to go far higher.
Larry Todd, formerly manager of Hunter's Books in Beverly
Hills, said Bridge offered him discounts as high as 80 per-
cent, a rate he had never been offered by any publisher dur-
ing his 35 years in the book business. "They (Bridge) were
willing to stock the books at next to nothing if we would
display them with the best sellers," said Todd, who declined.
Todd said the offer came in 1986, during release of the
"Mission Earth" series, from Bridge sales representative
Howard Ramer. Todd quoted Ramer as saying: "We want to make
sure that (the new volume of 'Mission Earth') is on the
best-seller list. we're sure it will be and we want your
participation in helping it get there."
Reached for comment, Ramer said: "I really don't remember
that at all. I can't say that it isn't true, but I can't
reacll that. I wouldn't be surprised that that might of hap-
pened."
Dave Dutton, of Dutton's Books, said Bridge has offered
him up to 70 percent discounts - "twice what we would nor-
mally get."
Dutton said he quit stocking Hubbard's books several years
ago after some unpleasant sales pitches by Bridge represen-
tatives, including a request for a window display.
"We said no, and they would not take no for an answer,"
Dutton said. "They were almost intimidating."
Michael Kagay, editor of news surveys at The New York
Times, said the paper has "encountered no evidence" that
Bridge has manipulated the best-seller lists. He said that
its large survey sample - 3,000 stores - would minimize the
effect of "unusual patterns." But he also said: "A change in
sales patterns of the major chains has a larger effect on the
figures."
Spokeswomen for B. Dalton and Waldenbooks, the nation's
two largest book chains, declined to reveal sales figures for
Hubbard's books. Sharon Jonas, of B. Dalton, which has about
1,000 stores, and Dara Tyson, of Waldenbooks, which has about
800 stores, also declined to reveal the discounts the chains
receive from Bridge. Both said that the chains have no data
on who is buying Hubbard's books from their stores.
"Who buys his books?" said Tyson. "We don't know."

A former employee of both chains offered a more detailed
answer.
"What we used to see was the L. Ron Hubbard people coming
into the chains, buying books out so we'd have to reorder
them. Then they'd return them," said Eleanor Lang, a former
manager of a B. Dalton store in the New York City area and an
ex-employee of Waldenbooks.

"Throughout the '80s, B. Dalton had a liberal return
policy," said Lang, now the publicist for the science-fiction
publisher Tor Books. "Once a chain store sells through a
book, it's on their computer as having been sold. Once on
the computer, the computer automatically reorders it."
That might help explain why hardcover copies of the "Mis-
sion Earth" series are a common sight these days on remainder
shelves.
"This month Bridge Publications quietly offered remainder
houses 237,848 'Mission Earth' hardcovers," publisher Lyle
Stuart wrote last July in his newsletter Hot News, under the
heading "That Scientology Scam." "This must be something of
a record in the remainder industry."
Through their spokeswomen, B. Dalton and Waldenbooks also
denied that they sell floor space to Bridge or any publisher.
Two industry sources disputed that claim. Alice Allen,
spokeswoman for the American Booksellers Association, said
retailers maintain that the chains engage in the unpopular,
but not illegal, practice of selling prime display space.
Betty Wright, executive director of the National Asso-
ciation of Independent Publishers, said prime display space
is not only sold, but that Bridge is a major purchaser of it.
"They're buying floor space, there's no question about
that. You can't walk into a bookstore without seeing their
big cardboard displays," said Wright. "One of the most valu-
able things you can do besides advertising is buy floor
space. there are 50,000 books published every year. And
let's face it, they can't all be in bookstores."

'THE BRIDGE TO TOTAL FREEDOM'

Bridge's senior vice president Mark McKinstry denied that
the publisher buys Hubbard's books to inflate sales.
A spokeswoman for the Church of Scientology also denied
that Hubbard's followers are required to purchase his books.
"You can't make anyone buy anything," said Leisa Goodman,
from the L. Ron Hubbard Office of Public Relations in Los
Angeles. "People spend their money because they want to."
Goodman also denied any official link between the church
and Bridge Publications.
"We have a relationship like any client and publisher,"
Goodman said. "It's just probably closer."
Much closer, say former Scientologists.
Vicki Aznaran, the former inspector general of the Reli-
gious Technology Center, said the center controls a
Scientology network of 419 subsidiary groups, including
Bridge Publications. Her claim was echoed by several other
former church officials.
In addition, the Religious Technology Center is listed
prominently in an internal church document, "The Command
Chart of Scientology."
The Religious Technology Center appears at the top of the
chart. One level below, within a body called the Watchdog
Committee, is the office of the executive director of the
Church of Scientology International. And one level below
that is Bridge Publications.
Appearing on the same level of the chart as Bridge is the
church's public relations office.
In a 1989 issue of "Hotline," a Church of Scientology
newsletter for its publicists, a new public relations strat-
egy was announced.
"For the first time in the history of Dianetics and
Scientology the PR (public relations) positioning for L. Ron
Hubbard (LRH) has been established:
"One of The Most Acclaimed and Widely Read Authors of All
Time.
"This is a major breakthrough that will have far-reaching
effects for the future of PR and the expansion of
Scientology...
"There have of course been a number of successful PR cam-
paigns for LRH and his works. The Dianetics Campaign, cam-
paigns for 'Battlefield Earth' and 'Mission Earth,' even lo-
cal campaigns...

"But what we have lacked is the full power of a coordi-
nated push from ALL sectors of Scientology promoting LRH in a
concerted manner and with a single image.
"For it is LRH's image on which all the rest of our expan-
sion depends. To the degree that LRH is made the stable ter-
minal in society, people will reach for his books and ser-
vices and we can get them on the Bridge to Total Freedom."
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Postby cmsahe » 07 Mar 2009 16:24

I guess that part of the success of KJA as a Sci Fi writer is the nerdishness of the Star Wars fans, they would buy a Yellow Pages directory if it had Star Wars printed on the cover. (Just what Pinky & The Brain think of Dune readers: "Print DUNE on the cover of any shit")

I laughed when I read (about the novel of L. Ronald Hubbard): "poor grammars, kinky sex", almost like McDune!
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Postby trang » 10 Mar 2009 03:40

L. Ron Hubbard in the same sentence with Heinlein and other classic authors is fucking heresy. Hubbard was out of his mind from the get go and his books suck. I read Final Blackout, Battlefield earth, the mission earth series and others and they are so pop sci-fi and predictable its ridiculas. The characters have little to no depth and the worlds he creates are shallow and hollow.

The Dianetics and Scientology thing just confirm he is a lunatic. KJA's writing is as bad or worse... as well as... BH's being terrible.

But I believe 1000 percent that Hubbards success was manufactured by those pin heads from his following.

KJA's is more so because he has an innate ability to latch on to the ass cheek of running series or worlds and write trash that some how molds with the other stuff and souless mindless wretchs by the garbage.

I read a lot of military sci-fi and god knows its not on par with anything FH did but I am not out on the Interenet or screaming that the the authors I read are anything but just good in there genre and the stories are fun fast and exactly what I want.

Hubbard and KJA both have that smug look and sound that just makes you want to smack them and tell them to get over there self proclaimed success, which is both they're lifes achievements in writing dont even add up to a POOR... just plain awful writing.

Success is measured by way more than volume and monetary stockpiles.

At least thats my opinion,
to be blatently honest... fuck Hubbard and Anderson and the horse they rode in on!!!

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Postby SwordMaster » 10 Mar 2009 08:51

Yah, now I want to start the whole sci-con thread, about the cult of scientology, and dianetics... that a whole other topic really. Your post is interesting, but you cant put KJA and LRH in the same league.

KJA - right place, right time, lucky, un talented, semi retarded hack

LRH - pulled the greatest confidence trick of all time - made hundreds of millions and still has lunatic followers in the world’s biggest cult. A sort of genius in terms of tricking people, horrible author, and don’t forget, his most popular books are supposedly "non fiction" LOL no I just can put these guys on the same level at all.

But a few similer things do exist, il give you that. LRH is the only person I know to have more then 1 fictional biography about his life.
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Postby Mr. Teg » 10 Mar 2009 09:08

SwordMaster wrote:Yah, now I want to start the whole sci-con thread, about the cult of scientology, and dianetics... that a whole other topic really. Your post is interesting, but you cant put KJA and LRH in the same league.

KJA - right place, right time, lucky, un talented, semi retarded hack

LRH - pulled the greatest confidence trick of all time - made hundreds of millions and still has lunatic followers in the world’s biggest cult. A sort of genius in terms of tricking people, horrible author, and don’t forget, his most popular books are supposedly "non fiction" LOL no I just can put these guys on the same level at all.

But a few similer things do exist, il give you that. LRH is the only person I know to have more then 1 fictional biography about his life.


You know KJA co-authored a book with Hubbard?

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Postby SandChigger » 10 Mar 2009 09:30

Yeah, just like he co-authored one a year or two ago with A.E. van Vogt. Or he could claim he has co-authored something with Frank Herbert. :roll:

Sorry, but I obviously have slightly different felicity conditions on the usage of the co- prefix. :P

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Postby SwordMaster » 10 Mar 2009 09:35

SandChigger wrote:Yeah, just like he co-authored one a year or two ago with A.E. van Vogt. Or he could claim he has co-authored something with Frank Herbert. :roll:

Sorry, but I obviously have slightly different felicity conditions on the usage of the co- prefix. :P


Yeah, I also co-write N.Tesla's theory on magnetic fields and gamma rays, before they were discovered and proven to exist.

LOL, I had no idea they wrote a book together, regardless, KJA is just a joe blow author, LRH is still a criminal in most nations and his cult has world wide influence.

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Postby GamePlayer » 10 Mar 2009 11:27

I remember someone trying to tell me once that the Battlefield Earth book was far better than the movie. The problem is Battlefield Earth, like the television series Heroes, was NEVER any good. It was crap from day one. Bad idea, bad story, bad execution. But for some reason, through a combination of marketing, a ready-to-serve fan base and a nexus of bored consumers in just the right kind of mood for just this kind of shit, Battlefield Earth managed to convince people it was worth money. Gawd help us all. :)

Course, this Bridge Publications company is obviously a significant contributing factor to the publishing of Scientology agenda. I knew the publishing industry had long since sold out even before KJA ever arrived on scene. The publishing establishment has been diluted by the invasion of dubious award/magazine bodies that praise crap or by turncoat critics on the take. But I didn't know about Bridge Publications; the insidiousness of it all is alarming. I bet if we researched it a little, Bridge Publications would have a string of lawsuits behind them too, knowing well the litigious nature of Scientology.

Funny how at nearly every mention of Scientology, KJA's name always somehow shows up. If I were an investigative reporter, I'd almost be inclined to believe there was some connection :)
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Postby SwordMaster » 10 Mar 2009 11:33

GamePlayer wrote:I remember someone trying to tell me once that the Battlefield Earth book was far better than the movie. The problem is Battlefield Earth, like the television series Heroes, was NEVER any good. It was crap from day one. Bad idea, bad story, bad execution. But for some reason, through a combination of marketing, a ready-to-serve fan base and a nexus of bored consumers in just the right kind of mood for just this kind of shit, Battlefield Earth managed to convince people it was worth money. Gawd help us all. :)

Course, this Bridge Publications company is obviously a significant contributing factor to the publishing of Scientology agenda. I knew the publishing industry had long since sold out even before KJA ever arrived on scene. The publishing establishment has been diluted by the invasion of dubious award/magazine bodies that praise crap or by turncoat critics on the take. But I didn't know about Bridge Publications; the insidiousness of it all is alarming. I bet if we researched it a little, Bridge Publications would have a string of lawsuits behind them too, knowing well the litigious nature of Scientology.

Funny how at nearly every mention of Scientology, KJA's name always somehow shows up. If I were an investigative reporter, I'd almost be inclined to believe there was some connection :)


Through my study of the Cult I never saw his name before today. But he and LRH were both complete hacks when it came to being authors of sci-fi. That is a thing they do share in spades.
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Postby Ampoliros » 10 Mar 2009 20:09

has anyone asked him point-blank? i mean if he at least says he isn't that's one thing but what if he admits it or says something like

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Postby SandChigger » 10 Mar 2009 20:12

ByrByr has denied that Kevin is a Scientologist.

Does that count? :P

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Postby TheDukester » 10 Mar 2009 20:12

I'll give Kevvie this much credit: if he is CoS, at least he's not in-your-face about it.

I really don't think the "secret" of his success has anything to do with his religious beliefs or lack thereof. He sells books because he invades already-popular properties, because he writes to the lowest common denominator, and because this country celebrates mediocrity.
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Postby SandRider » 10 Mar 2009 21:09

I thought this was settled awhile back -
Keith is on the board of that L. Ron science fiction writers award thing, right ?

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Postby SandChigger » 11 Mar 2009 01:28

Well, for that matter, Bobo Brian is on that board, too. ;)

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Postby Hunchback Jack » 11 Mar 2009 04:38

If I recall correctly, KJA's "biggest signing event" record was for the book he "co-authored" with Hubbard.

Gee, I wonder how they were able to get *so many* people together in one place for such a media-friendly publicity event?

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Postby GamePlayer » 11 Mar 2009 11:37

Well, I don't really care if KJA is a Scientologist or not. But if he was, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised. It would be just one more thing to mock him about :)
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Postby SwordMaster » 11 Mar 2009 12:15

It would effect my thoughts of him - Now he is just a hack who made the right friends at the right times. If he is a cult member then he becomes something I would use as I protest the existence of that evil cult.
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Postby Hunchback Jack » 11 Mar 2009 12:34

I care about it only in the sense that it's a way for him to garner "success" by drawing on an existing fan base, beyond what his talent alone would merit.

He already does that by writing in established, successful universes (Star Wars, Dune, X-files), but the Hubbard co-authorship signing thing is an extreme case of that, I think, because the success is measured purely by bums on seats.

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Postby SwordMaster » 11 Mar 2009 12:56

Has he ever been asked in an interview or book signing>?

Hey Kev, what level is your OT ?

I bet if he is in there he is OT 5 meaning he has spent over $100 000 to get to that level.
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Postby Omphalos » 11 Mar 2009 13:12

GamePlayer wrote:I remember someone trying to tell me once that the Battlefield Earth book was far better than the movie.


:lol: That might have been me. I loved the book, but if I said it in those terms, I was just gushing. I think it is better than the movie, but to be honest both sucked ass. I like the book because its so goddam laughable. The movie is just miserably bad. But the book is a riot.

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Postby SwordMaster » 11 Mar 2009 14:46

Omphalos wrote:
GamePlayer wrote:I remember someone trying to tell me once that the Battlefield Earth book was far better than the movie.


:lol: That might have been me. I loved the book, but if I said it in those terms, I was just gushing. I think it is better than the movie, but to be honest both sucked ass. I like the book because its so goddam laughable. The movie is just miserably bad. But the book is a riot.


I find it all really funny because many SciCons feel the book is not even "fiction" at all

Infact, when someone beocmes OT 5 is when they find out about Xenu and his evil rant through the universe. Im dead serious, Scientologists belive that BFE is a "true" story about the creation of man kind.
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Postby SandChigger » 11 Mar 2009 18:55

BumFook Egypt? That's the alternative title for that book by Mailer, right? Ancient Heavings, or something like that? :P

HBJ wrote:success is measured purely by bums on seats

You mean bums in line? For a sign, in this case. ;)

It would be funny to ask him if he's clear at a signing, but that would probably be the only question you'd get. :D

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Postby Hunchback Jack » 11 Mar 2009 19:42

For what other reason would he want bums in li...

... never mind.

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SandChigger wrote:
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