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Postby SandChigger » 06 Mar 2009 23:09

I've never been able to read Dreamer of Dune cover to cover, but there are passages that make me think Brian was jealous of the friendship between FH and Ransom. Ransom wasn't that much older than Brian. Who knows, maybe FH even saw him as the son he never had and Brian picked up on it.

There's also the talent factor. Ransom has it, Brian Herbert doesn't. :wink:

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Postby SandChigger » 07 Mar 2009 06:37

Just had a peek at TheKJA Twitter page. Evidently 'Becca has just had foot surgery. (Seems to have a lot of problem with her legs. IIRC she sprained an ankle when they were cruising Alaska. 'Course ... the human leg can only "stand" so much... ;) )

Here are some of Mr All Heart's posts:

TheKJA wrote:Sitting in the waiting room with Reb b4 her foot surgery. Not the best writing environment, but at least the phone's not ringing.
about 19 hours ago from web

Reb out of surgery, everything fine. I've got a thermos of her favorite Starbucks waiting for her, as soon as she wakes up
about 16 hours ago from web

Back home with the patient, not groggy at all (me or Reb!). Will set up a table to keep keying in DUNE correx while we watch "Burn Notice."
about 13 hours ago from web

While Reb relaxes after surgery, watching Michael Moore's SICKO. Horrifying movie! Maybe not best thing after a day in the hospital.
about 6 hours ago from web

Well thank gawd the phone wasn't ringing while he was in the waiting room, eh! With her BEFORE her surgery and he's thinking about the writing environment. Does this mean he had a laptop with him? A notepad? Oh, no, it had to be the recorder! :roll:

And again he's doing correction work while watching a movie. Says a lot about quality control, no? No wonder McDune is so fucked up: this shithead can't concentrate on one thing at a time.

Sicko horrifying, huh? Poor Kevin! The trip to the hospital was so traumatic for him. I bet he didn't get any real work done today at all. :(

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Postby SandRider » 07 Mar 2009 12:59

SwordMaster wrote:
SandChigger wrote:Isn't part of the story that a fair number of people had contacted them over the years wanting to write stories in the Duniverse or collaborate with Brian? And that Brian was just coming around to the idea of doing something when Kevin went on the offensive? A matter of fortuitous timing for the hacks ... and continuing sorrow for true fans of Dune.

I'm pretty sure Byron said that the HLP contacted some people as well but were turned down. (I remember the name Dan Simmons coming up in some such connection, but Simmons refuses to even reply to inquiries about the matter.)

Any serious, intelligent author should realize how difficult it would be to write in someone else's universe, let alone Frank Herbert's Duniverse.

Fools rush in. Kevin gets to lead the pack.


But again, my point about Dr. Willis E. McNelly maybe far fetched that he could write anything close to the same quality, but at least he would not contradict the entire story x 1000

Plus he is an actual literary mind on various classic poets, and novelists, like where did KJA get his community collage paper? Not that educational credentails matter but I still think The Dune Encyclopedia is the best non Frank work on Dune.


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Postby SandChigger » 07 Mar 2009 18:51

Um ... yep, there is that. :(

The Dune Encyclopedia is interesting and fun as far as fanfic goes (far more fun than the officially sanctioned fanfic gruel being flogged about as canon in some quarters), but it's just plain silly in places. (The ornithopter clams is the example most often cited, but take a look at the article on Ecaz for another example: a habitable planet in the star system nearest to Earth that isn't discovered until something like 8000 B.G. And the entry for Galach, while written by a linguist, is completely unrealistic in terms of the changes that would occur in a language over a period of 20,000+ years. Plus it completely ignores the Slavic side of the Inglo-Slavic mix.)

Still, McNelly and his collaborators created something wonderful, however flawed. His/Their work certainly deserves more than the short shrift given it by the HLP. (Especially when it looks so much like they did refer to it in hiking McDune.)

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Postby cmsahe » 07 Mar 2009 20:52

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And again he's doing correction work while watching a movie. Says a lot about quality control, no? No wonder McDune is so fucked up: this shithead can't concentrate on one thing at a time.
You should post this at the Amazon.com Dune forums!
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Postby SandChigger » 07 Mar 2009 23:09

Oh no, I insist that you do it. :lol:

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Postby SandChigger » 08 Mar 2009 03:07

I SIMPLY CANNOT BELIEVE THIS SHIT.

THAT STUPID MOTHER-FUCKER KJA HAS POSTED ON THE "DUNE" BLOG ON DUNE NOVELS ABOUT HIS WIFE'S DAMNED FOOT SURGERY.

Damn. The Herberts are SPINELESS FUCKING MORONS.

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Postby TheDukester » 08 Mar 2009 03:53

Truth.

They've just literally handed over the keys to one of the great literary legacies of our era. And they handed them to the most notorious hack working in the field today.

Seriously, all kidding aside: fuck you, Byron Merritt. And fuck you, too, HLP, you fucking spineless jellyfish.
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Postby SandRider » 08 Mar 2009 03:55

seconded.

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Postby Freakzilla » 08 Mar 2009 10:19

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Postby GamePlayer » 08 Mar 2009 19:51

SandChigger wrote:Um ... yep, there is that. :(

The Dune Encyclopedia is interesting and fun as far as fanfic goes (far more fun than the officially sanctioned fanfic gruel being flogged about as canon in some quarters), but it's just plain silly in places. (The ornithopter clams is the example most often cited, but take a look at the article on Ecaz for another example: a habitable planet in the star system nearest to Earth that isn't discovered until something like 8000 B.G. And the entry for Galach, while written by a linguist, is completely unrealistic in terms of the changes that would occur in a language over a period of 20,000+ years. Plus it completely ignores the Slavic side of the Inglo-Slavic mix.)

Still, McNelly and his collaborators created something wonderful, however flawed. His/Their work certainly deserves more than the short shrift given it by the HLP. (Especially when it looks so much like they did refer to it in hiking McDune.)


I agree with this. The Dune Encyclopedia works as a fascinating tangent to the Dune universe that doesn't necessarily get it right, but it does work within the spirit of the Herbert Dune universe. The Dune Encyclopedia is a very interesting failure that offers something worth reading, unlike the novels of the HLP and KJA, which are completely worthless failures on every level.

At least there's an electronic copy of the DE around :)
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Postby Freakzilla » 08 Mar 2009 19:53

GamePlayer wrote:At least there's an electronic copy of the DE around :)


Yes.
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Postby SwordMaster » 09 Mar 2009 08:52

GamePlayer wrote:
SandChigger wrote:Um ... yep, there is that. :(

The Dune Encyclopedia is interesting and fun as far as fanfic goes (far more fun than the officially sanctioned fanfic gruel being flogged about as canon in some quarters), but it's just plain silly in places. (The ornithopter clams is the example most often cited, but take a look at the article on Ecaz for another example: a habitable planet in the star system nearest to Earth that isn't discovered until something like 8000 B.G. And the entry for Galach, while written by a linguist, is completely unrealistic in terms of the changes that would occur in a language over a period of 20,000+ years. Plus it completely ignores the Slavic side of the Inglo-Slavic mix.)

Still, McNelly and his collaborators created something wonderful, however flawed. His/Their work certainly deserves more than the short shrift given it by the HLP. (Especially when it looks so much like they did refer to it in hiking McDune.)


I agree with this. The Dune Encyclopedia works as a fascinating tangent to the Dune universe that doesn't necessarily get it right, but it does work within the spirit of the Herbert Dune universe. The Dune Encyclopedia is a very interesting failure that offers something worth reading, unlike the novels of the HLP and KJA, which are completely worthless failures on every level.

At least there's an electronic copy of the DE around :)


Yah remember guys, McNelly wrote a chapter of Butlarian Jihad. Brian never even called him back. Sad he passed away a few years later. Now dont get me wrong Dune Encyclopedia is not the BEST, but I just dont see how KJA got the prize.

Has anyone seen his wife? Not suprised she had foot and leg issues.
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Postby inhuien » 09 Mar 2009 09:53

SwordMaster wrote:Not suprised she had foot and leg issues.

I'm not sure what you mean by that one, are you making a FMD allusion?
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Postby SwordMaster » 09 Mar 2009 10:01

inhuien wrote:
SwordMaster wrote:Not suprised she had foot and leg issues.

I'm not sure what you mean by that one, are you making a FMD allusion?


I was saying she is a bit chubby and it was a low blow but I really do hate KJA.
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Postby Schu » 09 Mar 2009 10:04

Freakzilla wrote:
GamePlayer wrote:At least there's an electronic copy of the DE around :)


Yes.


who do I have to either screw or threaten to screw to get it?

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Postby SandChigger » 09 Mar 2009 10:05

Just guess. :P

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Postby Schu » 09 Mar 2009 10:23

Everyone?

AGAIN?

God dammit. I'm tired. Forget it.

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Postby GamePlayer » 09 Mar 2009 11:08

Is it time to run a train on schu again? Yahoo! :)
I'll try to find it later today.
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Postby Schu » 09 Mar 2009 13:04

GamePlayer wrote:Is it time to run a train on schu again? Yahoo! :)
I'll try to find it later today.


Thanks T'Pog :D

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Postby Seraphan » 11 Mar 2009 21:26

SwordMaster wrote:
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SandChigger wrote:Um ... yep, there is that. :(

The Dune Encyclopedia is interesting and fun as far as fanfic goes (far more fun than the officially sanctioned fanfic gruel being flogged about as canon in some quarters), but it's just plain silly in places. (The ornithopter clams is the example most often cited, but take a look at the article on Ecaz for another example: a habitable planet in the star system nearest to Earth that isn't discovered until something like 8000 B.G. And the entry for Galach, while written by a linguist, is completely unrealistic in terms of the changes that would occur in a language over a period of 20,000+ years. Plus it completely ignores the Slavic side of the Inglo-Slavic mix.)

Still, McNelly and his collaborators created something wonderful, however flawed. His/Their work certainly deserves more than the short shrift given it by the HLP. (Especially when it looks so much like they did refer to it in hiking McDune.)


I agree with this. The Dune Encyclopedia works as a fascinating tangent to the Dune universe that doesn't necessarily get it right, but it does work within the spirit of the Herbert Dune universe. The Dune Encyclopedia is a very interesting failure that offers something worth reading, unlike the novels of the HLP and KJA, which are completely worthless failures on every level.

At least there's an electronic copy of the DE around :)


Yah remember guys, McNelly wrote a chapter of Butlarian Jihad. Brian never even called him back. Sad he passed away a few years later. Now dont get me wrong Dune Encyclopedia is not the BEST, but I just dont see how KJA got the prize.

Has anyone seen his wife? Not suprised she had foot and leg issues.

Its no wonder why McNeilly wasnt chosen, he was too good of an author to co-writte anything with BH. Brian's ineptitude would just jump to your eyesight.
They needed someone who's writting skill would be on par with Brian's. A turd that would be indistinguishable with the other turd, both in smell, colour and texture. They needed...KJA :shock:
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Postby SandRider » 12 Mar 2009 03:21

say, lemme take this opportunity to tell y'all that the tittie bars in
Corpus Christi are FUCKING AWESOME... (which I already knew, but
I digress ...)

I just spent a great night with a little 22-year old in my lap -
less than an "A" cup and goddamn did I get handsy ....

at one point, I said, "I bet you cain't even push them things together
enough to catch my face up in them" and she did, and really couldn't
but lemme get a little nipple in on my tongue.

sweet.

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Postby SandChigger » 12 Mar 2009 05:15

And that is why Kevin J. Anderson is a gigantic idiot! :lol:

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Postby SandRider » 12 Mar 2009 13:10

you know, actually it is ....

Keith wouldn't last two minutes in some of the saloons I frequent.

Providing Rebecca would let him go in the first place.

All the excitement & adventure in his life happens only in his imagination ....



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Postby Hunchback Jack » 12 Mar 2009 13:19

I think *that's* a candidate for post of the year. :)

The descriptive language, the enthusiastic delivery, the sheer unexpectedness of it ... 10/10 SR.

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