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My good deed of the day

Postby cmsahe » 23 Dec 2008 15:59

Hi guys,

I've just visited the "official" MB:

Why B. Vladimir Harkonnen was obese:

Frank Herbert wrote in GEoD: (Moneo, Hwi Noree and Duncan are talking)

Moneo: "He was a seeker after sensations, the fat was a side effect, then perhaps something to expirience for itself because it offende people and he enjoyed offending."

The version given in the Houses Trilogy is wrong that BG infection given by Gaius Mohiam to him.
http://www.dunenovels.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=65112#65112
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Postby GamePlayer » 23 Dec 2008 16:14

I feel something in common with the Baron: I love eating the vast growing list of errors found in the hack books :)
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Postby SandRider » 23 Dec 2008 16:26

I just re=posted that in
"posts I think will be deleted at DN" ....
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on the Baron's lardiness

Postby Sole Man » 23 Dec 2008 18:10

I bouth GEoD today, thanks for spoiling it for me!

Anyway, most of us know that. I figuered i tout from the wikipeida article. (In DUNE Lady Fenrig points out that the Baron "Let himself go to fat")

Oh KJA, what will inconsisteently think up next?

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Postby cmsahe » 23 Dec 2008 22:45

Sole Man wrote:I bouth GEoD today, thanks for spoiling it for me!

Anyway, most of us know that. I figuered i tout from the wikipeida article. (In DUNE Lady Fenrig points out that the Baron "Let himself go to fat")

Oh KJA, what will inconsisteently think up next?


The finale of this book is fantastic, specially when Luke Skywalker shows up to rescue Han Solo, who is frozen in carbonite, Boba Fett is eaten alive by a Sandworm! ;) (Maybe this is the storyline for the next Pinky & The Brain Leto of Dune novel! )
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Postby cmsahe » 23 Dec 2008 22:53

SandRider wrote:I just re=posted that in
"posts I think will be deleted at DN" ....


Thank you SandRider, maybe those hack novels are oriented for a young adults market, I have only read the Houses Trilogy and found them simmilar, on pair to the Star Wars novels.

I've just posted this too: On the true nature of the Butlerian Jihad, GEoD gives us several clues as to the true nature of that Jihad, I believe that it was never a Terminator-like event.

http://www.dunenovels.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=65117#65117
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Postby SandRider » 23 Dec 2008 23:40

cmsahe wrote:I believe that it was never a Terminator-like event.


nobody but Merritt really does ....

{and he's lying...}
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Postby Schu » 23 Dec 2008 23:50

Hey guys, reckon we can differentiate between "good deed" and "pointless deed that only makes OHians look rabid"?

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Postby dunepunk » 24 Dec 2008 00:09

Schu wrote:Hey guys, reckon we can differentiate between "good deed" and "pointless deed that only makes OHians look rabid"?


How about this as a starting place:

Good deed-- Makes a point about one or more of the many reasons that the prequels and sequels cannot and should not be considered part of the same universe as the original Frank Herbert Dune novels.

Pointless deed that only makes OHians look rabid-- An insult directed at the authors or preeks that fails to make a point about the corruption of the Dune series in the hands of KJA and BH, etc.

Again, just a quick starting place if we're gonna define terms.
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Postby SandRider » 24 Dec 2008 00:27

how about this as a starting point :

OH, the OH, or if you must, OHs

not OHers, OHer's, OHians, OHists, OHismers, etc...
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Postby Schu » 24 Dec 2008 00:49

I'm sticking with OHian. I don't particularly care what anyone else wants to call orthodox herbertarians.

What I think about these posts that make us look rabid and/or stupid and pointless is that:

1. Separate posts for basically the same point (doesn't fit in FH's vision) makes us look like spammers.

2. Just saying "KJA&BH wrote this, FH wrote that, it doesn't fit in" without any real attempt at understanding the other side, any direction for the topic, and possibility of reasonable discussion is about the same, in effect, as starting a new thread called "I hate the "new dune" novels".

3. Writing "FH never thought of a terminator-like jihad", following it with merely a quote (and not a particularly convincing one) and leaving it at that seems to me about as childish as atheists that say (basically, paraphrased) "The burden of proof rests on the affirmative side, therefore God does not exist".

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Postby SandRider » 24 Dec 2008 02:12

Orthodox Herbertarianains ?

And just who are "we" looking "rabid and/or stupid and pointless" to ?

Merritt ? The Pretards ? The general public ?

I think you're misunderstanding the point of the Game now.
Keith and the HLP are not going to stop publishing these bullshit books.
The Pretards are not going to stop reading them. The general public
doesn't give a fuck either way. A handful of lunatics on the internet
are not going to stop this cash machine. There is no 'argument' to win.

The point of the game Over There now is to post questions and observations
on Keith's idiocy with the themes of the new books and let them go
unanswered by Merritt. Or just be deleted. There is no "reasonable
discussion" to be had Over There. No one over here wants to see that
board have any posts of any real value. "We" want Merritt to delete the
shit out them. "We" want that board to fold up like the cheap two dollar
suitcase it is.
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Postby TheDukester » 24 Dec 2008 02:21

Schu wrote:... reasonable discussion ...

Reasonable discussion?!?!

Where, exactly, is that supposed to be happening? And with whom? And when did I, or anyone else, suddenly get put on your team?

Give me a fucking break.
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Did someone say rabid?!

Postby SandChigger » 24 Dec 2008 03:08

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Sorry, Schu, but I haven't worked myself this frothy just to stop now.

I'D LATHER DIE!!! :lol:

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Re: on the Baron's lardiness

Postby Laphtiya » 24 Dec 2008 04:57

Sole Man wrote:I bouth GEoD today, thanks for spoiling it for me!

Anyway, most of us know that. I figuered i tout from the wikipeida article. (In DUNE Lady Fenrig points out that the Baron "Let himself go to fat")

Oh KJA, what will inconsisteently think up next?


They'll say that they covered this in the House series, I think there was something about the Barron "making" people think that he was doing it to himself.

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Postby Nekhrun » 24 Dec 2008 08:40

What keith fails to recognize is that he caused all of this by his inability to admit one mistake and start getting editors for those fucking books. Instead he retcons shit just to stick it to people who don't like him. There's no reason to be civil or nice to him at this point. He's the worst kind of human being on the planet. He deserves a punishment worse than anything in history.

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Postby Sole Man » 24 Dec 2008 10:30

Laphtiya wrote:
Sole Man wrote:I bouth GEoD today, thanks for spoiling it for me!

Anyway, most of us know that. I figuered i tout from the wikipeida article. (In DUNE Lady Fenrig points out that the Baron "Let himself go to fat")

Oh KJA, what will inconsisteently think up next?


They'll say that they covered this in the House series, I think there was something about the Barron "making" people think that he was doing it to himself.


...

Its distubrs me to think on he was "making" them think that.

(What wer ethe little slave boys telling people. More important: what were the used ones corspes telling Mr. Anderson?)

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Postby SandRider » 24 Dec 2008 11:11

Over There » For Lovers of both the Classic Dune AND the Prequels » How did you first hear about Dune?

Schu wrote:So Byron, how did you find out about Dune?


Good example of what I'm talking about, anyway, Schu. I've personally found & posted
two different and conflicting answers Merritt has given to this question. I have little doubt there
are other conflicting stories floating around that board that I haven't dug up yet.

Merritt will either not answer this, just flat out ignoring you, or he will give an answer that has
to conflict with one or both of the previous answers. I'm not trying to "call" him on all this, I
just want it laid right out there in the open, further reducing his general credibility.
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Postby GamePlayer » 24 Dec 2008 11:28

Schu wrote:...possibility of reasonable discussion...


Is nonexistent.
You're out of the loop Schu. The possibility of rational discourse between Dumbnovels and anyone else online, here or otherwise, officially ended when the Dumbnovels management unilaterally enforced the "You're not allowed to say that" policy. After that point, there can be no free exchange of ideas, no meaningful correspondence by any credible benchmark. It doesn't matter "how" you communicate your opinion on Dumbnovels, whether in civil or irrational terms, it will be censored by default.

As long as that policy remains in effect on Dumbnovels, any criticism of the HLP/KJA/Dumbnovels itself, no matter how unfair or harsh, will remain justified.
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Postby Schu » 24 Dec 2008 11:34

Oh, I don't really care. I was just pointing out the irony of asking a guy how he first heard about his grandfather's magnum opus. If he has conflicting stories, he's welcome to them.

I don't want to "win" any argument, change the business of dune (OK well I do, but I know it ain't going to happen), or anything like that. I just don't like that people with the same opinion as I have are getting a bad reputation (ok, "have", not "are getting")and that rubs off on me. Now that is mostly the fault of the people that are prejudiced against me based on the actions of other people, but if I don't react against against what I consider childish behaviour, even if it is on a board where real discussion is stifled and the majority are indeed pretards, then I'm not really myself anymore.

So when I see people acting childishly, whether or not I agree with their opinions, I'm call it out (and especially if it reflects on me).

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Postby GamePlayer » 24 Dec 2008 11:41

In that regard we actually agree, for the most part.
I'm not sure why anyone would want to waste their time at Dumbnovels. It's why I left. I do get curious from time to time about the odd anecdote from Dumbnovels that the Jacurutu membership will repost here. But really, the actual entertainment value that place supplies is not enough to justify joining or visiting on a regular basis.

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Postby Schu » 24 Dec 2008 11:50

Ah, well, maybe it's a good thing I missed that whole fiasco then :P

I'll probably get sick of DN after a while, but I can't resist the urge, especially in the classic dune section, to show some of the pretards how stupid they are.

I got sick of it pretty quickly after the whole thing got started with Chig getting banned.

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Postby SandChigger » 24 Dec 2008 13:36

Just to inject a little holiday (Merry Xmas, all! :P ) childishness into the discussion...

Laphtiya wrote:They'll say that they covered this in the House series, I think there was something about the Barron "making" people think that he was doing it to himself.

Something about all the McDune books makes me think that, while writing, Kevin is doing "it" to himself. ;)
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Postby cmsahe » 24 Dec 2008 15:10

Oi Schu!: Only stupids say stupidities and I'm not stupid.


In GEoD, Leto II mentions that the machines made mankind mentally lazy, that's what triggered the Butlerian Jihad. If you, Schu, enjoy your Terminator-like novels, good for you.

Now, as for killing machines, conceived by Frank Herbert, maybe he was planning something about it for future novels, as we can discern from that vision during the test of Siona:

"He saw the milky distances enter her eyes. Without asking permission, she tapped his front segment, demanding that he prepare the warm hammock of his flesh. He obeyed. She fitted herself to the gentle curve. By peering sharply downward, he could see her. Siona's eyes remained opened, but they no longer saw this place. She jerked abruptly and began to tremble like a small creature dying. He knew this experience, but could not change the smallest part of it. No ancestral presences would remain in her consciousness, but she would carry with her forever afterward the clear sights and sounds and smells. The seeking machines would be there, the smell of blood and entrails, the cowering humans in their burrows aware only that they could not escape . . . while all the time the mechanical movement approached, nearer and nearer and nearer ...louder...louder!
"

As I understand it, this is the threat to the survival of mankind.

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Schu wrote:I'm sticking with OHian. I don't particularly care what anyone else wants to call orthodox herbertarians.

What I think about these posts that make us look rabid and/or stupid and pointless is that:

1. Separate posts for basically the same point (doesn't fit in FH's vision) makes us look like spammers.

2. Just saying "KJA&BH wrote this, FH wrote that, it doesn't fit in" without any real attempt at understanding the other side, any direction for the topic, and possibility of reasonable discussion is about the same, in effect, as starting a new thread called "I hate the "new dune" novels".

3. Writing "FH never thought of a terminator-like jihad", following it with merely a quote (and not a particularly convincing one) and leaving it at that seems to me about as childish as atheists that say (basically, paraphrased) "The burden of proof rests on the affirmative side, therefore God does not exist".
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Postby Freakzilla » 24 Dec 2008 15:43

What does that vision have to do with a terminator-style jihad?

Beside's IMO Siona's vision is of a possible past, in which humans would all be hunted down by Ixian self-improving hunter-seekers, that Leto prevented early in his reign, which was a result of his metamorphasis.
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